If you played JRPGs you would know. Contray to what people think, FF is not the only JRPG series out there.
I understand that. I'm just asking what you are basing your opinion on. It may shed some light on the subject and make people more aware of what's going on.
I understand that. I'm just asking what you are basing your opinion on. It may shed some light on the subject and make people more aware of what's going on.
Big JRPG fans like things like SMT, Persona, fire emblem, Tales, Xeno ect. The stuff that Bioware includes in their games which people declare is "JRPG" stuff is simply FF stuff, not from the genre as a whole and if they where marketing it that way they are failing because the bulk JRPG crowd can't stand FF anymore.
Big JRPG fans like things like SMT, Persona, fire emblem, Tales, Xeno ect. The stuff that Bioware includes in their games which people declare is "JRPG" stuff is simply FF stuff, not from the genre as a whole and if they where marketing it that way they are failing because the bulk JRPG crowd can't stand FF anymore.
KK, just wondering what those things are/will be/ have been talked about in this thread.
My guess is that they have different marketing strategies for different demographics emphasising different aspects of the game. It the way they change their advertising that most affects how their game sells in different demographics. I should mention that they can all be present in the same content to advertise or different altogether.
Why would you bother to advertise Inquisition to JRPG fans?
It's not a JRPG, and it's not trying to be one. It seems to me that there is little point in advertising to a target market that your game isn't trying to appeal to in the first place.
Why would you bother to advertise Inquisition to JRPG fans?
It's not a JRPG, and it's not trying to be one. It seems to me that there is little point in advertising to a target market that your game isn't trying to appeal to in the first place.
yo,
<---- jrpg fan
<---- bioware fan
this things are not mutually exclusive... or if you pay attention not even uncommon. both tend to focus on stories granted different types of stories but story focused all the same. that is what draws rpgs fan of all sub genres. there like with everything exceptions but over all most rpg fan wouldn't brother without some kinda story.
Big JRPG fans like things like SMT, Persona, fire emblem, Tales, Xeno ect. The stuff that Bioware includes in their games which people declare is "JRPG" stuff is simply FF stuff, not from the genre as a whole and if they where marketing it that way they are failing because the bulk JRPG crowd can't stand FF anymore.
yo,
<---- jrpg fan
<---- bioware fan
this things are not mutually exclusive... or if you pay attention not even uncommon. both tend to focus on stories granted different types of stories but story focused all the same. that is what draws rpgs fan of all sub genres. there like with everything exceptions but over all most rpg fan wouldn't brother without some kinda story.
That's great and all, but their marketing is already trying to appeal to your BioWare fan half.
So there is no need to try and appeal to specifically JRPG fans when you aren't making a JRPG.
That's great and all, but their marketing is already trying to appeal to your BioWare fan half.
So there is no need to try and appeal to specifically JRPG fans when you aren't making a JRPG.
actually their marketing is about me being gamer and that the game is awesome ... they already know most of the fans wil buy it because they made it. look at all the hater who have said last chance for 3 games now. the differnce between western and j rpgs is largely nothing at all. hell some fanservices character wear more then elves did in DA: o
If bioware starts packing in dozens of whack philosophies into their plots I will rage quit these forums so hard there will be mass suicides from the guilt. I'll do it, don't make me.
you mean like random philosophical quotes at the start that have nothing to do with the game at all?
actually their marketing is about me being gamer and that the game is awesome ... they already know most of the fans wil buy it because they made it. look at all the hater who have said last chance for 3 games now. the differnce between western and j rpgs is largely nothing at all. hell some fanservices character wear more then elves did in DA: o
you mean like random philosophical quotes at the start that have nothing to do with the game at all?
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That's great and all, but their marketing is already trying to appeal to your BioWare fan half.
So there is no need to try and appeal to specifically JRPG fans when you aren't making a JRPG.
To me JRPG is just a classification of style. Like Film Noir has certain characteristics instead of just calling them Crime Drama's.
JRPGs to me have cartoony-styles with massively overdone elements. Underage kids with.. Huge eyes, Huge hair, Huge weapons, Huge over dramatic movements, etc... Basically, if it looks like an anime cartoon... its a JRPG to me.
They hold no appeal to me whatsoever and when/if a developer attempts to incorporate some of these elements into a typical western RPG the effect is kind of like a slap in the face. The two genres have completely different appeals to two entirely different audiences. They should not be mixed.
You shouldn't equate elements of anime/manga/Final Fantasy that you dislike as being representative of the content or style of every game in the JRPG genre. I've watched some sci-fi anime series that are better - despite the size of the characters' eyes - than most of the shows currently airing on the SyFy channel.
I think that one aspect of JRPGs that you've ignored is that a number of them have interesting combat systems in which you actually do have to play it smart with your tactics and strategy. Combat can be a lot of fun and very challenging (without any silly button mashing), I don't think people necessarily mean that they want everyone to suddenly look like Sephiroth and to wield huge swords when they talk about incorporating JRPG elements (although maybe some of them do mean that - heh).
For example, at one point in P4G, I recall having to wield a golf club because it was the beginning of the game and the main characters - who looked like perfectly normal high-school students - couldn't scrounge up anything better at the very beginning of the game. Some of the weapons in P4G were humorous and quirky, but they were pretty normal in terms of size and appearance (not counting the intentionally humorous/goofy weapons like the Inaba Trout - which I loved because, honestly, it's pretty darned funny to smack an enemy with a pair of fish 
).
That being said, I don't think any game should pander to fans of one genre another by trying to shoehorn elements or styles that doesn't really work. Like I said earlier in here (I think I did last time anyway), devs should really just concern themselves with making the best RPG that they can. If they do find sources of inspiration in a different genre and they actually work to make the game a better RPG, then great. I enjoy JRPGs and WRPGs, and unlike you, I would hardly consider it a slap in the face if certain elements from both genres were incorporated into a game.
I didn't read nine Pages, but here are my two Cents:
I hope they do nothing (more) in the Direction of JRPGs. There's a Reason I don't play those.
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