- Shepard doesn't die at the beginning of ME2. He gets inside the Mako which keeps him safe from the Normandy explosion. Instead of falling on Alchera, the Mako crash-lands on one of Alchera's moons, right near a secret Blue Suns base. Shepard gets badly injured and falls into a coma. The Blue Suns quickly reach the crash site and decide to put Shepard in a stasis pod.
That certainly would have made more sense...
But if you did that, how would Shepard get stuck working for Cerberus?
But if you did that, how would Shepard get stuck working for Cerberus?
Blue Sun sold Shep to TIM.
This part from the leaked script:
Shepard then has an epic battle with Kai Leng and Cerberus reinforcements over who gets the Prothean (still frozen a trance). The war outside intensifies, with windows, roofs, walls, etc. blowing out in bomb attacks, giving a spectacular view of Thessia under fire.
Kai Leng engages the player on the upper section of the Cathedral. As time progresses surges of energy from the Prothean blast sections out of the roof exposing more of the battle raging outside.
As Kai Lengs defences wear down he moves to draw Shepard away from the Prothean. Once sufficently damaged Kai Leng jumps into a safe position and detonates the explosives rigged into the area away from the artifact. In a bright flash Shepard and the squad are hit with the full brunt of the blast.
Shepard comes regains consiouness as the ringing in his ears fades and and the voices of A/K and Liara become dicernable. As he trys to collect himself it becomes apparent that the Prothean is gone, A/K and Liara are in serious trouble, and Shepard has been horribly wounded. A peice of rebar protrudes from Shepards back, he's bleeding badly, and cannot stand. Shepard crawls forward in gameplay to try to save his survivng squad members.
As Shepard Crawls along the ground the floor continues to collapse. It's quite obvious that by the time he gets to one of his henchmen, the other will have been overcome and killed. Shepard moves slowly painting the ground beneath him with a long bright trail of blood. His armor is damaged and cannot help him.
If Shepard stops the ground falls out from under him and he dies. As he moves towards on henchmen, the others situation becomes more dire. During the last leg of his crawl the path to the furthest henchmen gives way, shortly after that character is killed. Once Shepard reaches the surving henchmen he uses the last of his strength to assist them and colapses.
The surving Henchmen assists Shepard out of the colapsing Catherdral. As they reach the exterior the sound of a vehicle causes Shepard to look to the Sky. it's Kai Leng, he has the unconcous Prothean in his drop ship. Kai Leng gives Shep a wry smile and closes the dropship door and leaves.
Shepard passes out and regains concousness aboard the Normandy. His wounds are being tended to in the Medical bay.
BioWARE would never allow a scene like that to go through: Many people would choose Liara, and that can't happen to the pet.
Was the Cerberus coup part of the original script?
If so there would have been too many opportunities to get the Virmire Survivor killed. That being said I do wish the end game had a couple of Virmire moments. I'd shift them to the finale though rather than Thessia.
I agree ME3 (And ME2 tbh) definitely needed more Virmire- like moments.
Add a flashback scene for Padok Wiks if the genophage is cured
The Illusive Man Boss FIGHT! This would have been awesome, and ME3 would have been slightly redeemed.
Adding an extra scene when you talk to Javik and Liara after the fall of Thessia, where you reiterate that Liara is acting like a child.
Joking with Ashley and Kaidan (if they shoot Udina) about where Shepard jokes that being the first two humans to join the Spectres, they've already stolen warships, jetted off to forbidden zones and shot a Councilor.
Paragon Interrupt telling off the Asari Councilor that the reason Thessia fell is Asari High Command pretending they were above the law and the other races. Renegade Interrupt telling her that for hiding the beacon, Thessia deserved to fall.
I actually felt like Liara was afforded a lot of extra bullshit in the third game. All the rest of the races had seen their world fall to the reapers, why did liara get special treatment?
I don't know if this is a cut scene, but I would've loved to have seen more crew conversations. Just the **** that they do with eachother for a laugh or when their bored....
The Illusive Man Boss FIGHT! This would have been awesome, and ME3 would have been slightly redeemed.
The problem I always had with that particular line of reasoning is that we don't know TIM as a character. The lolindoctrination card was played too many times that the guy is just a jumble of contrivances that serves at the behest of the writers to provide a steady stream of mooks that stand between Shepard and a given objective for half the game.
Was the Cerberus coup part of the original script?
It looks like it was. But was supposed to take place after Thessia, and no Kai Leng.
Thane and Kasumi played roles in it. And there was a mission where you teamed up with Emily Wong and Khalisah al Jilani to bring down Cerberus signal jamming (you can still hear Khalisah's distress signal at one point during the coup)
But if you did that, how would Shepard get stuck working for Cerberus?
Good point. The railroad must stick to its schedule.
I actually felt like Liara was afforded a lot of extra bullshit in the third game. All the rest of the races had seen their world fall to the reapers, why did liara get special treatment?
I don't know if this is a cut scene, but I would've loved to have seen more crew conversations. Just the **** that they do with eachother for a laugh or when their bored....
I'm not sure if it was intended or not, for whatever that's worth. Thessia was supposed to be a big loss with Shepard suffering a personal defeat. The fact that it was the Asari homeworld meant that Liara and the rest of the bunch would get more focus on their sad time, talks about loss, apology scenes, etc.
The problem I always had with that particular line of reasoning is that we don't know TIM as a character. The lolindoctrination card was played too many times that the guy is just a jumble of contrivances that serves at the behest of the writers to provide a steady stream of mooks that stand between Shepard and a given objective for half the game.
I guess so. He was always mysterious, but his intentions were pretty clear. Nonetheless, he did take the procedure on giving himself Reaper tech implants, hence, his face at the showdown. Although this concept would seem a bit too obvious or resembled too much of Saren, it would have been something unexpected. Maybe TIM's role could have ended better.
I guess so. He was always mysterious, but his intentions were pretty clear. Nonetheless, he did take the procedure on giving himself Reaper tech implants, hence, his face at the showdown. Although this concept would seem a bit too obvious or resembled too much of Saren, it would have been something unexpected. Maybe TIM's role could have ended better.
I think the problem with TIM's overarching goal across the series, the advancement of humanity, is extremely vague (like what counts as advancement?); and all the Cerberus flip-flopping between each games made it even more confusing. Sure, he has a specific goal with controlling the Reapers in ME3 but that idea was only half realized and all the extra stuff with invading planets, attacking human civilians, launching an attack on the Citadel, etc just muddies the clear waters of characterization; all the conversations with the guy just have him coming off as a crazy person (unless that's the point?). I think having some guy with power and unclear goals doing and talking nonsense is uncompelling at best and annoyingly distracting at worst. TIM as a major role should have died in ME2 and the writers should have cut their losses and restricted him to maybe a side mission or two.
I'm not sure if it was intended or not, for whatever that's worth. Thessia was supposed to be a big loss with Shepard suffering a personal defeat. The fact that it was the Asari homeworld meant that Liara and the rest of the bunch would get more focus on their sad time, talks about loss, apology scenes, etc.
Everyone suffers personal defeats, but not everyone handles them by moping and blaming themselves. *Cue the Cave Johnson lemons speech* Shepard loses Earth and is driven to fix the problem. When A/K is in the hospital, Shepard can be soft or hard.
I'm pretty sure they intended for Thessia to be more important than Earth or Palaven, simply because it was the asari. The asari (and to a lesser extent, the krogan) always had favored status, and things were supposed to be bad simply because they happened to them.
I think the real question is: "Were the asari always created to be the creator's pet, everyone must love them race, and Liara was given a face for it" or "Liara was meant to be the creator's pet, and the other asari were built on her template?"
Either way, the game really needed a moment where you could say "I'm not moping around, Councilor. You waited until the last minute, buried your heads in the sand, and thought yourself above galactic annihilation of the 'lesser' species, and, only when it was too late, you decided to beg for help. High Command's arrogance nearly cost us this war, and innocent asari are the ones paying the price." And then, while I wait to go to Sanctuary, I can talk with Kaidan and Adams, Garrus, Javik, or whoever and not be all pissy.
I actually felt like Liara was afforded a lot of extra bullshit in the third game. All the rest of the races had seen their world fall to the reapers, why did liara get special treatment?
I don't know if this is a cut scene, but I would've loved to have seen more crew conversations. Just the **** that they do with eachother for a laugh or when their bored....
Ostinably, Liara got special treatment because, unlike other characters, she was the only party member from the previous games guaranteed to be there.
But of course, simple writing could have divided that among many different people, and explaining things to newbies to the series was James's job. The real reason was that she was the writer's pet character, the Mary Sue archetype everyone was supposed to love and romance.
Was the Cerberus coup part of the original script?
If so there would have been too many opportunities to get the Virmire Survivor killed. That being said I do wish the end game had a couple of Virmire moments. I'd shift them to the finale though rather than Thessia.
Yes, it had something to do with the Hanar, iirc. Udina was petitioning the council to abandon the hanar homeworld to the reapers in favor of regrouping for a counterstrike or something. There was Emily Wong, Kasumi, Terra Firma, Thane's role was at least acceptable (he was the one who shot Udina), Udina's motivations made sense and that stupid fixation on Earth was thematized.
I actually felt like Liara was afforded a lot of extra bullshit in the third game. All the rest of the races had seen their world fall to the reapers, why did liara get special treatment?
I don't know if this is a cut scene, but I would've loved to have seen more crew conversations. Just the **** that they do with eachother for a laugh or when their bored....
Compared to whom? Shepard spends the entire game moping about Earth. Tali had the entire Rannoch arc practically dedicated to her in ME3. Maybe Garrus. But Garrus does not ask for comfort (I think it makes sense that born-soldier Garrus takes it differently). Liara for example wants to talk with Garrus after palavan and he tells her politely that he doesn't want to talk. But Shepard can ask about his family for at least three, probably four times, and you can try to comfort him, including half-hugs and everything.
Yes, it had something to do with the Hanar, iirc. Udina was petitioning the council to abandon the hanar homeworld to the reapers in favor of regrouping for a counterstrike or something. There was Emily Wong, Kasumi, Terra Firma, Thane's role was at least acceptable (he was the one who shot Udina), Udina's motivations made sense and that stupid fixation on Earth was thematized.
Compared to whom? Shepard spends the entire game moping about Earth. Tali had the entire Rannoch arc practically dedicated to her in ME3. Maybe Garrus. But Garrus does not ask for comfort (I think it makes sense that born-soldier Garrus takes it differently). Liara for example wants to talk with Garrus after palavan and he tells her politely that he doesn't want to talk. But Shepard can ask about his family for at least three, probably four times, and you can try to comfort him, including half-hugs and everything.
Liara has her moments. Especially when you go to the room, where Javik is and watch the conversation between him and Liara after her worlds were attacked.
and that stupid fixation on Earth was thematized.
What do you mean?
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But if you did that, how would Shepard get stuck working for Cerberus?
In the "Redemption" comic, the Blue Suns were working for the Shadow Broker.
So, the Shadow Broker bought Shepard from the Blue Suns, and then tried selling him/her to the Collectors.
Compared to whom? Shepard spends the entire game moping about Earth. Tali had the entire Rannoch arc practically dedicated to her in ME3. Maybe Garrus. But Garrus does not ask for comfort (I think it makes sense that born-soldier Garrus takes it differently). Liara for example wants to talk with Garrus after palavan and he tells her politely that he doesn't want to talk. But Shepard can ask about his family for at least three, probably four times, and you can try to comfort him, including half-hugs and everything.
Tali and Garrus can be dead in ME3, right? And if Garrus is alive for ME3, he can be ignored for the whole game except that cutscene after the genophage mission, right? Tali is only required for 2 of the 4 missions, dreadnought and Rannoch, right? Outside of those 2 missions, Tali can be ignored, right?
Tali and Garrus can be dead in ME3, right? And if Garrus is alive for ME3, he can be ignored for the whole game except that cutscene after the genophage mission, right? Tali is only required for 2 of the 4 missions, dreadnought and Rannoch, right? Outside of those 2 missions, Tali can be ignored, right?
Didn't you just answer yourself?
Tali and Garrus can be dead. Making all those extra scenes for characters some might never see sounds like a lot of work for nothing.
This is also why the ME2 characters are reduced to cameos; they could be dead. I'm willing to argue that Garrus and Tali get a lot of extra stuff just as a fan service.
No. Read what I posted
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