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[EmperorSahlertz]

I'm sure mages used a fire spell to initially start the fire. Otherwise, think of her body as charred meat...or google burnt bodies.

Her body would've remained intact, just charred.

That isn't entirely accurate. The amount of firewood needed for the average size pyre, usually meant that it will burn for hours, and at some very high temperatures for a significant portion of it, which would be more than enough to literally cook the meat and skin off the bones of the victim constrained on top of it. It is likely that a charred skeleton of Andraste (not entirely intact) would remain, but all the meat on her would be incinerated.......

....

...... Dammit I know too much about death and killing.......

[X Equestris]

I don't know if this was contradicted later, but The Stolen Throne makes a mention that Andraste was burned on a cross.

[dgcatanisiri]

Well, who says that the pyre was made of kindling? I mean, she WAS executed by Tevinter magisters, it's entirely possible she was on a stone platform and a literal firing squad tossed some fireballs at her.

 

Granted, I'm perfectly accepting of 'the didn't separate the ashes of the person from the ashes of the kindling,' but there are plenty of ways it works out without that being something that needed to be or was done.

[Yomond]

Also now that I think about it... She did not burn to death. Archcon Whatshisface stabbed her.

This means the flames where low a cool enough for someone to get close enough to use a sword.

She was being tortured to death. Cooked alive rather then incinerated.

 

She may have been cremated later because whoever took the body would have been on the run and need remains that could be smuggled to safety and not decompose. Her cremation might not be related to the way she died.

[X Equestris]

Also now that I think about it... She did not burn to death. Archcon Whatshisface stabbed her.
This means the flames where low a cool enough for someone to get close enough to use a sword.
She was being tortured to death. Cooked alive rather then incinerated.
 
She may have been cremated later because whoever took the body would have been on the run and need remains that could be smuggled to safety and not decompose. Her cremation might not be related to the way she died.

Yes, Hessarian stabbed her. Of course, in real life, it wasn't uncommon for people being burned at the stake to be strangled to death as the fire was going.

[NoForgiveness]

Does it say anything about her being specifically burnt on wood? Maybe it was metal and they just doused her in oil and lite the candle.

[coldflame]

They don't. They put all the ashes and charcoal through a sieve, separate out the metal bits of the coffin and the bone fragments, then put the bone fragments into a pulverizer that reduces them to powder and add it back into the sieved ashes.

 

Not sure how they do that in Thedas short of a pestle and mortar.

Magic...

[DameGrace]

Magic...

 

"A wizard did it  "

 

But, seriously, take a big can, put all the ashes and charcoal inside and forget it! Sooner or later it all will turn into dust, right? And it's not like they had thought about the possibility that somebody, many years later, may use Andrastes' ashes to cure somebody else (or did they?).

[SilencetheCry]

Well...this thread is slightly disturbing 

[SilencetheCry]

Btw I vote magic...nice and simple magic...yes, that's it *runs away*

[myahele]

I imagine she looked like these:

[DameGrace]

 

Well...this thread is slightly disturbing  

 

More than two months till DA:I. We need to talk about something, otherwise, mayhem ensues in the romance threads. 

 

I imagine she looked like these:

 

Now, that is disturbing.

[Yomond]

Yes, Hessarian stabbed her. Of course, in real life, it wasn't uncommon for people being burned at the stake to be strangled to death as the fire was going.

 

Hessarian, thank you.

 

But thats my point. the burning was just torcher/public spectacle. depending on how they where burned it could take hours to die. no matter how hated the victim nobody wants to stand around and watch that.

 

I'm saying that the clinical cause of death is not necessarily relevent to the fact that she was cremated and that it would have to have been a separate process regardless.

 

Yes? No? Mabye?

 

If they where going to use magic I think they would do someting a bit more flashy. With desire demons maybe.

[SilencetheCry]

I imagine she looked like these:

 

Oh lovely 

 

 

 

 

More than two months till DA:I. We need to talk about something, otherwise, mayhem ensues in the romance threads. 

 

 

Too true, too true.

[Chari]

Hessarian, thank you.

But thats my point. the burning was just torcher/public spectacle. depending on how they where burned it could take hours to die. no matter how hated the victim nobody wants to stand around and watch that.

I wouldn't be surprised if they did
Public executions and tortures were quite a hit in medieval times

[Dr_Vile]

That isn't entirely accurate. The amount of firewood needed for the average size pyre, usually meant that it will burn for hours, and at some very high temperatures for a significant portion of it, which would be more than enough to literally cook the meat and skin off the bones of the victim constrained on top of it. It is likely that a charred skeleton of Andraste (not entirely intact) would remain, but all the meat on her would be incinerated.......

....

...... Dammit I know too much about death and killing.......

 Although temperatures & duration of the fire vary depending upon the type of wood, the volume of wood and the ambient conditions, so it's a little too definitive to say that there certainly wouldn't be any flesh remaining - it could range anywhere from approximately 40% of muscle mass remaining all the way down to bare bones.

 Based upon the known factors in Andraste's case: i.e. the public display, the simultaneous executions of several of her co-conspirators, plus the killing blow being a sword-thrust rather than burning/asphyxiation, it's not too far a stretch to believe that the fire would have been toward the lower end of the temperature scale, as it's unlikely that the typical stacking of wood against the victim would have occurred.

 /Creepiness

[EmperorSahlertz]

 Although temperatures & duration of the fire vary depending upon the type of wood, the volume of wood and the ambient conditions, so it's a little too definitive to say that there certainly wouldn't be any flesh remaining - it could range anywhere from approximately 40% of muscle mass remaining all the way down to bare bones.

 Based upon the known factors in Andraste's case: i.e. the public display, the simultaneous executions of several of her co-conspirators, plus the killing blow being a sword-thrust rather than burning/asphyxiation, it's not too far a stretch to believe that the fire would have been toward the lower end of the temperature scale, as it's unlikely that the typical stacking of wood against the victim would have occurred.

 /Creepiness

That being said, the killing of Andraste with a sword was out of mercy, not necessity. So it really doesn't give us much to go on. Also if they were all on the same pyre, the flame would probably grow hot enough to consume most tissue and sinew. Of course, we are also not regarding any magical mumno jumbo, since magical flames could literally do anything to a human body.

[myahele]

This is Tevinter, they probably controlled the temperature via magic. True, she was mercy killed by the Emperor himself, so once she died the crowd dispersed and the executioners we like "F it throw a high level fire spell in her and lets go"

At the very least her bones remained intact, albeit brittle

[TheChosenOne]

[Magister Caedus]

The Soviets also dumped Hitler's ashes into the Berlin sewers. 

That's actually kinda sad... even if he was, you know, Hitler.

 

Hessarian, thank you.

 

But thats my point. the burning was just torcher/public spectacle.

Even if that wasn't intentional, that's a great play on words.

[Serza]

That's actually kinda sad... even if he was, you know, Hitler.

 

Hello? It was HITLER. H-I-T-L-E-R. That was actually a rather nice thing to do in comparison how he would've ended up if the Soviets got his whole body. Or if they got him alive. He certainly got out easy - I think even the Western courts would've sentenced him to some ugly fate. That bugger.

[Dermain]

More than two months till DA:I. We need to talk about something, otherwise, mayhem ensues in the romance threads. 

 

Oh please, we all know mayhem will ensue in the romance threads regardless.