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[Willowhugger]

We know that the war between the Mages and the Templars is going to be solved in this game. Given that we know one side or the other will join the Inquisition afterward, it occurs to me the best way to make sure this doesn't turn into kind of a weird impossible story to tell would be that either way, the two groups will dissolve.

Afterward, the Inquisition takes over the Templars' old role for hunting down evil magic.

Either with the Mages as their allies or with all the Templars as a part of them.

What do you think?

[Br3admax]

There will always be Circles. Even in Tevinter, mages are kept in check. Outside, the common man would kill mages if given the chance. The Circle is for their protection as much as Thedas'.

There will always be Templars. While they may not be loyal to the Chantry, there will always be someone to make sure the mages don't get out of line. 

[Bellethiel]

There will always be Circles. Even in Tevinter, mages are kept in check. Outside, the common man would kill mages if given the chance. The Circle is for their protection as much as Theas'.

There will always be Templars. While they may not be loyal to the Chantry, there will always be someone to make sure the mages don't get out of line. 

 

 

Unless magic will go poof. There, problem solved. No more mages, no more templars. 

[raging_monkey]

Bring old world structure but with modern outlooks.... i like it fair compromise to a extent

[TheJediSaint]

There needs to be new sides for Bioware fans to fight self-righteous internet-wars over.  My suggestion?  Delicious Nugs versus the Dwarves who want to eat them.

[BloodyTalon]

There will always be circles  one or another either free circles or ones more forcefully kept in check.

Has for the templars losing one of their roles yeah can see that given if I recall right the templars where part of the original inquestion before the chantry was formed and once the chantry was formed they became their own thing.  The original inquestion got broken into the seekers and the templars. But we will see.

[Willowhugger]

There will always be Circles. Even in Tevinter, mages are kept in check. Outside, the common man would kill mages if given the chance. The Circle is for their protection as much as Theas'.

There will always be Templars. While they may not be loyal to the Chantry, there will always be someone to make sure the mages don't get out of line. 

 

If the Inquisition is watching the Mages then the Templars have no purpose.

If the Inquisition is doing the Templars job, then the Circles have no purpose.

 

I'm pretty sure both organizations will be extinct by the end.

I wonder how fans will react to this.

[LilithMB]

I was thinking about how they would pull this off if they wanted to keep making Dragon Age games? Hmmm. Templar vs Mage conflict will be solved early on from what ive heard. Plus red templars. Maybe we wont really get the choice on how this goes rather that BioWare has an idea where they want to take this story line? Maybe the Inquisition will govern the mages? Or....i dunno?

[Br3admax]

If the Inquisition is watching the Mages then the Templars have no purpose.

The Inquisition can't be tied to the government or the Chantry anymore. The Templars would have to be tied to one of those to guard mages in a tower funded by them.

 

 

If the Inquisition is doing the Templars job, then the Circles have no purpose.

Except the Inquisition can't perform that job due to its very nature. 

 

I'm pretty sure both organizations will be extinct by the end.

I wonder how fans will react to this.

They won't. 

[Lulupab]

The old Inquisition did the Templars' job actually.

[Willowhugger]

The Inquisition can't be tied to the government or the Chantry anymore. The Templars would have to be tied to one of those to guard mages in a tower funded by them.

 

The Templars broke with the Chantry so they can't guard the mages in the towers funded by the Chantry anymore and they're not going back to it.

 

The Inquisition might fund the towers now.

But the Templars lost their connection to the Chantry and the latter would be fools to take them back. The Inquisition might fund the Templars, though, but they might as well use them instead as their military arm.

Really, the Templars seem like an unnecessary group with the Inquisition. The Inquisition is more like the Gandalf the White version of the Templars.

"I am as how Saruman should have been."

[Ieldra]

If the Inquisition is watching the Mages then the Templars have no purpose.

If the Inquisition is doing the Templars job, then the Circles have no purpose.

 

I'm pretty sure both organizations will be extinct by the end.

I wonder how fans will react to this.

I wonder if we'll be able to influence whether that happens, or just how it happens. I tend to consider your scenario a possible outcome, but not the only one.

[Willowhugger]

I'd be really surprised if they did it but it occurs to me that this might be the kind of situation where the Templars are replaced by the Inquisition wholesale.

The Templars either get annexed by them or destroyed.

But the "job" of Templars is now filled by the Inquisition either way.

And that's how they insert the Inquisition permanently into the lore.

[Br3admax]

The Templars broke with the Chantry so they can't guard the mages in the towers funded by the Chantry anymore and they're not going back to it.

 

Not all Templars and Seekers broke from the Chantry.

 

 

 

The Inquisition might fund the towers now.

But the Templars lost their connection to the Chantry and the latter would be fools to take them back. The Inquisition might fund the Templars, though, but they might as well use them instead as their military arm.
 

The Inquisition can't afford to  pay for the upkeep for every country in Thedas, and as I said, there are Templars and Seekers who still serve the Chantry. 

 

Really, the Templars seem like an unnecessary group with the Inquisition. The Inquisition is more like the Gandalf the White version of the Templars.

"I am as how Saruman should have been."

Is it now? Sounds to me like we're just trying to be what they used to be. The protectors of Thedas. We can't just look out for mages. While I agree we should keep tabs on everyone, Thedas has to run itself at some point. 

[Willowhugger]

 

Not all Templars and Seekers broke from the Chantry.

Isn't that circumstantial evidence to my point? The two we know of have joined Quzzitor.

We also know of other Templars who later join, regardless of whether you side with them or the Mages.

 

In short, it seems like the Inquisition is where the Chantry loyalists may join.

Which is ironic given it's going to be independent.

[Br3admax]

Isn't that circumstantial evidence to my point? The two we know of have joined Quzzitor.

We also know of other Templars who later join, regardless of whether you side with them or the Mages.

 

No it doesn't prove your point. All of them don't join the Inquisition. At it's founding, this was still a Chantry black-ops group. It doesn't stay that way. 

 

 

 

In short, it seems like the Inquisition is where the Chantry loyalists may join.
 

The Inquisition isn't a definite Chantry loyalist itself so probs not always. 

 

 

Which is ironic given it's going to be independent.

It's not really that ironic, honestly. 

[Willowhugger]

The Inquisition predates the Chantry. The Chantry is a organization created by Drakon and the Orlaisians.

The Inqusition is a "pure Andraste" group.

 

It's like the Catholic Church claims descent from Peter the Disciple.

Whereas there were Christian groups supposedly founded by Mathew and others in Africa.

Sort of like Kolgrim's group. They're Andrastrians who claim descent from Andraste herself and not the Chantry.

 

They eventually joined back together but the Inqusiition doesn't derive it's authority from the Chantry. It derives its authority from being badass

Andrastrians BEFORE THE CHANTRY EXISTED.

The Inquisition which joined the Chantry became the Templars and Seekers.

[Nyxanna]

Try to take a look at the real history. There has always been revolutions, changes and more. I don't think we can guess what will happen at the end of the game.

[Harlot]

Try to take a look at the real history. There has always been revolutions, changes and more. I don't think we can guess what will happen at the end of the game.

I imagine that the outcome won't be as game changing as some would wish. Plenty more DA games to come (most likely) and BioWare might not be able to handle massive changes to the lore depending on player's choices/actions.

[Br3admax]

The Inquisition predates the Chantry. The Chantry is a organization created by Drakon and the Orlaisians.
 

This isn't the original Inquisition.

 

The Inqusition is a "pure Andraste" group.

 

Not anymore. 

 

It's like the Catholic Church claims descent from Peter the Disciple.

Whereas there were Christian groups supposedly founded by Mathew and others in Africa.

Sort of like Kolgrim's group. They're Andrastrians who claim descent from Andraste herself and not the Chantry.

 

They eventually joined back together but the Inqusiition doesn't derive it's authority from the Chantry. It derives its authority from being badass

Andrastrians BEFORE THE CHANTRY EXISTED.

The Inquisition which joined the Chantry became the Templars and Seekers.

It's not like that at all. The Inquisition were those things, and they became the Templars the Seekers, but it isn't those things now. It's simply here to protect Thedas at this point. 

[Willowhugger]

I imagine that the outcome won't be as game changing as some would wish. Plenty more DA games to come (most likely) and BioWare might not be able to handle massive changes to the lore depending on player's choices/actions.

 

That's my primary reason for speculating as it would make it so "The Inquisition wins" either way.

What would people's reaction be to this, on the oft chance it IS true?

[Harlot]

That's my primary reason for speculating as it would make it so "The Inquisition wins" either way.

What would people's reaction be to this, on the oft chance it IS true?

Reactions? Butthurt and references to ME3 endings no matter how unfitting those would be

[mikeymoonshine]

I can't imagine we will get to choose between drastically different world states like a world with free mages and no Templars vs a world with stricter circles or something. 

 

I guess having these groups absorbed into the Inquisition could make it easier for the writers to give us choice whist still being able to respect those choices in future. 

 

What I am most interested to know is how this is all going to work. We know that one side can join but in what capacity and what happens to the other? They said in the skyhold thing that you can restore a tower to house mages or Templars so It does seem like the Inquisition is completely taking over one group or the other. 

[Willowhugger]

Not exactly what my pro-mage Inquisitor would be hoping for.

It's like being given Merrill by her tribe.

"I promise I'll take responsibility for her."

"Okay, she's your slave forever. Bye."

"But.."

[Potato Cat]

My theory is that future games will take place in the northern kingdoms, so there we can either ignore the conflict, (if we're in Tevinter, Seheron or Par Vollen), or make it so Chantry renegades set up their own heresy in Nevarra, Antiva and Rivain apart from what ever may be left in of the Chantry in Orlais, Ferelden and the Free Marches, and this Chantry won the Mage-Templar war, putting their mages back in Circles, or something along those lines. It doesn't have to be as big as another Chantry schism, but I think you get the idea.