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[Willowhugger]

I'm pretty sure the Inquisition will be taking over but it occurs to me I'm not sure how I feel about this. The Templars and Mages are such an iconic part of the game, this is like exterminating the Jedi Order as well as the Sith. The change is so huge I don't know how to react.

[mikeymoonshine]

My theory is that future games will take place in the northern kingdoms, so there we can either ignore the conflict, (if we're in Tevinter, Seheron or Par Vollen), or make it so Chantry renegades set up their own heresy in Nevarra, Antiva and Rivain apart from what ever may be left in of the Chantry in Orlais, Ferelden and the Free Marches, and this Chantry won the Mage-Templar war, putting their mages back in Circles, or something along those lines. It doesn't have to be as big as another Chantry schism, but I think you get the idea.

 

It could work plus I would love to go to these places. 

[Tevinter Rose]

I'd be really surprised if they did it but it occurs to me that this might be the kind of situation where the Templars are replaced by the Inquisition wholesale.

The Templars either get annexed by them or destroyed.

But the "job" of Templars is now filled by the Inquisition either way.

And that's how they insert the Inquisition permanently into the lore.

 

Bingo. I think that will happen, it might play out a bit differently depending on our choices.

[Patchwork]

In theory templars are suited to fighting abominations and demons which is the Inquistions current problem so it would make sense if the  templars and seekers who have broken from the Chantry but are not addicted to red lyrium are absorbed into the Inquistion. Mages on the other hand need something like circles as a safe heaven and somewhere for new mages to learn. 

 

I don't think either organisation is going to disappear completely the Chantry still have templars and seekers loyal to them, there's the new Red Templars and even if mages get complete freedom they still need a home base, managing the day to day lives of mages isn't or at least shouldn't be the Inquistions job. 

 

But it could become the new higher power that investigates problems and allows both mages and templars to join their ranks. 

[Willowhugger]

I'm inclined to think either way the War ends, Mages will have a great deal more freedom.

No more "Templars over their shoulders."

Even if defeated, the Inquisition more likely does monthly check ups.

The big difference will be most of the old mages will be dead.

I don't think anyone's fighting to restore the Old System. Which is something I think which will surprise players.

[Willowhugger]

I think a geographical shift is the best way to deal with fall out of DA:I's decision making. It'll be brought up, but BW won't have to make four games in one. And I want to go to Rivain, because it'll be ground zero for the ideological war between the Chant and the Qun. A lot of potential for good story telling. 

 

They've been talking about how excited they are about the Keep's potential so I'm not sure about that.

Besides, we saw how Dragon Age 2 and Awakening worked.

It's a lot of work but not really Mass Effect 3 to have Alistair show up doing X.

[raging_monkey]

I'm inclined to think either way the War ends, Mages will have a great deal more freedom.No more "Templars over their shoulders."Even if defeated, the Inquisition more likely does monthly check ups.The big difference will be most of the old mages will be dead.I don't think anyone's fighting to restore the Old System. Which is something I think which will surprise players.

the old guard may still be alive in belief through the current generation to some extent

[Willowhugger]

the old guard may still be alive in belief through the current generation to some extent

That's true.

 

I think the biggest possibility of the Inquisition taking over as the Mages' Keepers and them not running "Circles" per say is that it would highlight how dreadfully WASTEFUL this war was.

 

The Templars would just get a name change and more freedom to hunt monsters while the Mages would get their freedom but also security as the Inquisition only goes after evil ones.

This is very likely what Justina had intended all along.

[raging_monkey]

That's true. I think the biggest possibility of the Inquisition taking over as the Mages' Keepers and them not running "Circles" per say is that it would highlight how dreadfully WASTEFUL this war was. The Templars would just get a name change and more freedom to hunt monsters while the Mages would get their freedom but also security as the Inquisition only goes after evil ones.This is very likely what Justina had intended all along.

if so it was very convuluted and bordering having a messiah complex. But makes sense

[Willowhugger]

if so it was very convuluted and bordering having a messiah complex. But makes sense

 

I did think the Templars biggest issue was that it did seem like a waste of resources to be doing the Panopticon thing for mages. Uldred and his company plus Orisino's possible Blood Mage cult are bad and awful but the former was in reaction to them and the second also appears to have been motivated primarily by the Templars misrule.

 

You'd think they'd have more luck being garrisoned next door.

Being constantly in the mages' business doesn't seem to prevent Blood Magic or Apostacy but they could do all of the mage-killing and hunting they do normally without it.

[raging_monkey]

I did think the Templars biggest issue was that it did seem like a waste of resources to be doing the Panopticon thing for mages. Uldred and his company plus Orisino's possible Blood Mage cult are bad and awful but the former was in reaction to them and the second also appears to have been motivated primarily by the Templars misrule. You'd think they'd have more luck being garrisoned next door.Being constantly in the mages' business doesn't seem to prevent Blood Magic or Apostacy but they could do all of the mage-killing and hunting they do normally without it.

as much i see the templars asba needed police force its a bit overtaxing and breeds unintentioned tension(hey i made a ryhtmm) to be constantly watching them. A garrison next door does seem easier

[Icy Magebane]

I don't quite understand the point of this plan... let's say I side with the mages.  Now, a large number of existing mages join the Inquisition as soldiers (some do, some go off and do their own thing), the Circles are no more, and... the Templars no longer have the authority to remove new mages from towns and place them in a single location.  In fact, nobody ever does that, so these mages will be completely untrained and unprotected, putting them at a high risk of being killed young by superstitious commoners, dying young when their untrained magic backfires, or being possessed by demons at a young age since they have no understanding of the Fade.  Rare cases would survive, probably by leaving civilization entirely, and either become hedge wizards like Solas, die in accidents, or become abominations...  that's kind of grim...

 

Okay, nvm that for now, let's say I side with the Templars.  So... the Inquisition absorbs all of the existing Templars who are willing to abandon the Chantry into their army, and their new job is to fight demons and hunt down dangerous mages.  However, the mages are free because the Circles are gone, and since nobody is there to instruct them in the use of their power, help them cope with the nature of the Fade, or just keep them contained and away from cities, problems related to magical forces and Fade-related threats increase tenfold or more.  Remember what happened when Connor, who was completely ignorant of spirits and demons, bargained with a demon because he thought it would help his father?  Hundreds can die in a matter of days due to such events, so hopefully every ruler agrees to have an Inquisition outpost in each of their major cities so there can be a fast response...  But maybe that's the point, because it keeps the Inquisition relevant so we keep getting paid?  I mean... I don't see how this benefits society, but I guess it's a good business strategy.

[raging_monkey]

I don't quite understand the point of this plan... let's say I side with the mages.  Now, a large number of existing mages join the Inquisition as soldiers (some do, some go off and do their own thing), the Circles are no more, and... the Templars no longer have the authority to remove new mages from towns and place them in a single location.  In fact, nobody ever does that, so these mages will be completely untrained and unprotected, putting them at a high risk of being killed young by superstitious commoners, dying young when their untrained magic backfires, or being possessed by demons at a young age since they have no understanding of the Fade.  Rare cases would survive, probably by leaving civilization entirely, and either become hedge wizards like Solas, die in accidents, or become abominations...  that's kind of grim... Okay, nvm that for now, let's say I side with the Templars.  So... the Inquisition absorbs all of the existing Templars who are willing to abandon the Chantry into their army, and their new job is to fight demons and hunt down dangerous mages.  However, the mages are free because the Circles are gone, and since nobody is there to instruct them in the use of their power, help them cope with the nature of the Fade, or just keep them contained and away from cities, problems related to magical forces and Fade-related threats increase tenfold or more.  Remember what happened when Connor, who was completely ignorant of spirits and demons, bargained with a demon because he thought it would help his father?  Hundreds can die in a matter of days due to such events, so hopefully every ruler agrees to have an Inquisition outpost in each of their major cities so there can be a fast response...  But maybe that's the point, because it keeps the Inquisition relevant so we keep getting paid?  I mean... I don't see how this benefits society, but I guess it's a good business strategy.

that does make a problem and the inquisition is still young after both outcomes... sadly maybe what remains of the bchantry can help at first

[Icy Magebane]

that does make a problem and the inquisition is still young after both outcomes... sadly maybe what remains of the bchantry can help at first

I could be wrong, but I don't see the Chantry helping a group whose goal is the removal of their main source of political and military power...  something that has been the cornerstone of their institution for about a thousand years.  I suppose the Inquisition could trick them into thinking they're on the Chantry's side and then betray them after collecting enough donations...

[Willowhugger]

Well, the Inquisition isn't twelve guys sitting in Skyhold but seems to be a rather expansive army and probably only gets bigger afterward. I wouldn't be surprised given that people are coming to you for judgements and other materials that the Inquisition has authority across Thedas. I expect they'll be the ones to collect new mages from this time on and figure out what to do with them.

 

It might just start things all over again.

Or maybe they'll be adjustments.

Either way, I doubt funds will be an issue. People sponsored the Templars before and I'm sure with the Templars (or Mages) exterminated, they'll sponsor the Inquisition instead.

[raging_monkey]

I could be wrong, but I don't see the Chantry helping a group whose goal is the removal of their main source of political and military power...  something that has been the cornerstone of their institution for about a thousand years.  I suppose the Inquisition could trick them into thinking they're on the Chantry's side and then betray them after collecting enough donations...

just thinking that

[Jester]

There will always be Circles. Even in Tevinter, mages are kept in check. Outside, the common man would kill mages if given the chance. The Circle is for their protection as much as Thedas'.

There will always be Templars. While they may not be loyal to the Chantry, there will always be someone to make sure the mages don't get out of line. 

In Tevinter, the "Black Divine" is a mage. Mages are not kept in check by anybody in Tevinter - Magisters rule there. They control both the goverment and their version of the Chantry.

Common men have absolutely no chance to kill even a mildly skilled mage, not even saying anything about an experienced one. Not even in a large group. 

 

Even if the Circles are destroyed, it doesn't mean that possible new mages would not be trained. I'm pretty confident that mage schools would be created, in order to accumulate knowledge, power and teach new mages. 

A mage who doesn't have a mage in the family (some seem to forget, that magic is often inherited after a parent) would just go t one of new circles/magic academies/whatever.

Without them being lifetime prisons and without templars, there is absolutely not reason for a mage to avoid going to a circle. 

 

Of course, giving mages freedom, would after some time result in them ruling the nation. If you have freedom, and are a mage - you will get wealthy. And when you have wealth - the next step is politics. 

[raging_monkey]

Circles are a necessity; regardless of Templar oversight. Mages need to be properly trained and educated if occurrences like Redcliffe are to be avoided. That's just a fact. I think the best solution is the complete segregation of mages and Templars. Mages rule themselves albeit with strict oversight and scrutiny by sovereign governments. They would still be unable to hold official titles or advance politically after a certain point. Templars would be overseen by the Chantry. When a particularly dangerous or despotic mage goes rogue Templars are tasked with hunting them. Otherwise Templars are tasked with hunting demons, monsters, suspected blood mages, and abominations. They'd essentially become Grey Wardens in regards to ephemeral matters.  It's not perfect, but that's my 2 cents.

sounds good til x government goes all fullmetal alchemist

[Br3admax]

In Tevinter, the "Black Divine" is a mage. Mages are not kept in check by anybody in Tevinter - Magisters rule there. They control both the goverment and their version of the Chantry.

Common men have absolutely no chance to kill even a mildly skilled mage, not even saying anything about an experienced one. Not even in a large group. 

 

Guess what, they still live in Circles. The Circle of Magi exists in the Tevinter Imperium and the Black Divine controls both. There are still Templars there. 

 

Even if the Circles are destroyed, it doesn't mean that possible new mages would not be trained. I'm pretty confident that mage schools would be created, in order to accumulate knowledge, power and teach new mages. 

A mage who doesn't have a mage in the family (some seem to forget, that magic is often inherited after a parent) would just go t one of new circles/magic academies/whatever.

Without them being lifetime prisons and without templars, there is absolutely not reason for a mage to avoid going to a circle. 

 

These schools would just be new Circles, and mages would still have to always be monitored. The chance of possession doesn't end when your learning does. An 8 year old girl killed 70 people. 70. Imagine that in a mage with developed powers, and that is the threat that every abomination presents. 

 

 

 

Of course, giving mages freedom, would after some time result in them ruling the nation. If you have freedom, and are a mage - you will get wealthy. And when you have wealth - the next step is politics. 

 

Based on what exactly? 

[Lee80]

You know...if mages weren't locked away at the first sign of having any powers then people MIGHT not be as afraid of them, and then people could learn more about them and educate themselves enough to help train their own children.  

 

It's not an impossible thought for a non-mage to be able to teach a child as there are books on the subject, and they could ask other mage's in their area for help as well...you know if they weren't all locked away in a tower for sh##s and giggles.  The only way to overcome fear and hatred is through exposure and education.  This can be done, it doesn't always have to be lock away everything that isn't "normal".  

 

There would be fewer abominations in the long run as well, as fear seems to be the primary reason mages turn to demons in the first place.  Create a world where they can live life without that constant fear of being caught or abused by an oppressive organization like the circle, and you most likely will get much better results.   

[Pierce Miller]

Unless magic will go poof. There, problem solved. No more mages, no more templars. 

and then the game becomes a boring medieval dating simulator.

[Master Warder Z_]

I still believe that the Inquisition replacing the Templars is an impossibility due to a myriad of reasons.