So how come keep talking about Mages need to be taught or if they are not they go mad , suicidale , rogue , dangerous , murderer and so on . Why I never hear of Templar needing to be educated at all ?
Yes they get educated in how to use Lyrium without having an overdose . Then they get educated how what they are doing is the Maker will . then they are educated how to set limit on mages freedom . How come none of them get educated to see mages as more then a feared weapons ?
So how come keep talking about Mages need to be taught or if they are not they go mad , suicidale , rogue , dangerous , murderer and so on . Why I never hear of Templar needing to be educated at all ?
Yes they get educated in how to use Lyrium without having an overdose . Then they get educated how what they are doing is the Maker will . then they are educated how to set limit on mages freedom . How come none of them get educated to see mages as more then a feared weapons ?
The lack of moral indoctrination during Templar training is beside the point. Templars are non-mages, and as such they were not born with the potential to alter reality unintentionally or become possessed by Fade creatures who endlessly seek to get a foothold in the mortal world. There is a world of difference between the dangers that come with being born with magic and voluntary military service that has taken into account the negative side effects of lyrium for centuries. How they view their charges does not make their charges less dangerous to themselves and the world.
But in DA2 it was proven that Abomination can take over a Templar . And the fact they are not born with Magic...more reason to not give them any right to decide the fate of the Mages . The Templar have the potential to do as much harm , maybe you won't see them turn into abomination . But clearly , they have issue of their own . Give them a good reason , and they can turn a peaceful village into a dictatorship where normal folk wouldn't be able to breath . I consider being a blind zealot doing the 'will of the Maker ' cose 'the Tevinter is Evil ' so I must 'judge the No-Tevinter Mage' just as bad......EVIL .
But in DA2 it was proven that Abomination can take over a Templar
As they can any living flesh besides a mage.
However they literally have to be forced in to a normal person, they cannot merely win a battle of willpower and consume them like a mage.
But in DA2 it was proven that Abomination can take over a Templar . And the fact they are not born with Magic...more reason to not give them any right to decide the fate of the Mages . The Templar have the potential to do as much harm , maybe you won't see them turn into abomination . But clearly , they have issue of their own . Give them a good reason , and they can turn a peaceful village into a dictatorship where normal folk wouldn't be able to breath . I consider being a blind zealot doing the 'will of the Maker ' cose 'the Tevinter is Evil ' so I must 'judge the No-Tevinter Mage' just as bad......EVIL .
No, it was proven that blood mages can use magic that places demons inside the bodies of normal people. This cannot happen spontaneously and since normal folks are not conscious inside the Fade, there is no chance for a demon to approach them with any kind of bargain.
As for the rest, Templars are men and women like everyone else. Some are going to abuse their authority, but most aren't. That's just how people work. So while I can understand the desire for strict oversight of the Templars and some kind of moral guidance on the part of the leadership, there is no evidence that a lyrium addled or malevolent Templar is any more of a threat to the public than a normal bandit. Remember what Alistair said: "To a regular person, I'm just a guy in a metal suit."
But you could say the same about Mages . Some will abuse their power and resort to Blood Magic , but not all of them . So we can overlook Templar going bonker and high with their abuse but not mages ? no they should all be locked up just in case ?
But you could say the same about Mages . Some will abuse their power and resort to Blood Magic , but not all of them . So we can overlook Templar going bonker and high with their abuse but not mages ? no they should all be locked up just in case ?
I think you are missing the point here... regardless of whether or not a mage abuses their magic, they are susceptible to demonic possession. Abominations can cause more damage than any non-mage, and powerful ones are on par with the most powerful Magisters, even if the mage was not that talented to begin with. No such risk exists with non-mages, which is why education is needed for mages and most nations favor containment with varying degrees of strictness.
I am curious about one thing.
Is Blood Magic needed for the Fade to get weak?
Because, the Alienage Orphanage is filled with demons but it was just the sight of a great atrocity.
We also see other "haunted" places which aren't necessarily filled with magic like the Thaigs.
It could be that the Fade may simply get weak from violence.
No . I get it even if I don't agree with it . Then explain to me , why they put peoples who cannot understand MAGIC since they are not born with it like the Templar to watch over Mages ? Why? That sound sooo.....wrong . That is like a person who is born blind , being taught by someone who can see . And will goes 'So gree color is..and blue is...' and then goes 'Oh I understand how you feel' . Do you ? really ?
Again maybe my exemple isn't right . But to me it is unthinkable , to put peoples who cannot know how it feel to be born with magic to be watched over by peoples who don't have it . Then slam 'the maker will' or 'You are dangerous' .
I mean...why not just go to war to the fade , kill all abomination to make sure they never possess anyone ? Unrealistic ? Why not ? the chantry claim the Tevinter walked to a city and tainted and god know what . Why would this be impossible ?
No . I get it even if I don't agree with it . Then explain to me , why they put peoples who cannot understand MAGIC since they are not born with it like the Templar to watch over Mages ? Why? That sound sooo.....wrong . That is like a person who is born blind , being taught by someone who can see . And will goes 'So gree color is..and blue is...' and then goes 'Oh I understand how you feel' . Do you ? really ?
Again maybe my exemple isn't right . But to me it is unthinkable , to put peoples who cannot know how it feel to be born with magic to be watched over by peoples who don't have it . Then slam 'the maker will' or 'You are dangerous' .
I mean...why not just go to war to the fade , kill all abomination to make sure they never possess anyone ? Unrealistic ? Why not ? the chantry claim the Tevinter walked to a city and tainted and god know what . Why would this be impossible ?
I maintain the general view the Templars are very good at their job but they're being wasted. The Templars should be doing what we see in the Alienage and with the serial killer.
Hunting down evil mages, demons, and monsters.
If they have to Anull a circle, fine. It'll happen. However, until then, there's a crap ton of monsters running around they're ignoring.
Look for evil mages, not the Bethanys of the world.
Look for evil mages, not the Bethanys of the world.
And who hunt Evil Templar ? Right...........none .
I suppose there always will be a Circle of Mages or another type of educational centre for mages, but I hope we can change how it works with our involvement in DA: Inquisition. I am planning on siding with the Mages and giving them the freedom they deserve, without any kind of Templars or Chantries watching over them, and without any kind of Jedis restrictions in their lives, that means, with them being able to study every kind of magic, have relationships, marry someone, have a family, freely travel across the lands and live where they want, etc.
Even if Uldred didn´t exactly favor the Libertarians cause of mages (there were 5 "political groups" amongs mages if I remember well) because ultimately he was another Pride Abomination, I am all for the Libertarians group and I will do everything in my hand to favor their cause (which would be my cause too) in DA: Inquisition, which should bring up an interesting scenario with Cassandra.
And who hunt Evil Templar ?
Seekers.
Cass killed several in DOTS.
No . I get it even if I don't agree with it . Then explain to me , why they put peoples who cannot understand MAGIC since they are not born with it like the Templar to watch over Mages ? Why? That sound sooo.....wrong . That is like a person who is born blind , being taught by someone who can see . And will goes 'So gree color is..and blue is...' and then goes 'Oh I understand how you feel' . Do you ? really ?
Again maybe my exemple isn't right . But to me it is unthinkable , to put peoples who cannot know how it feel to be born with magic to be watched over by peoples who don't have it . Then slam 'the maker will' or 'You are dangerous' .
I mean...why not just go to war to the fade , kill all abomination to make sure they never possess anyone ? Unrealistic ? Why not ? the chantry claim the Tevinter walked to a city and tainted and god know what . Why would this be impossible ?
The duty of the Templars is to watch the mages for signs of corruption and to kill them if they become abominations or attempt to practice blood magic. In addition to this, they are charged with protecting compliant mages from outside threats. instruction in the arts of magic and how to safely traverse the Fade is handled by the Senior Enchanters, not the Templars. The old Circle system separated the roles of Templar and Mage such that the Templars had no direct influence on things they do not have an understanding of.
I don't have much to say about the religion behind the Templars, as my personal views on the Chantry have no bearing on the necessity of mage oversight. However, your final argument about attacking Fade creatures on their home plane doesn't work because spirits and demons are eternal. Even if they are "killed," they are simply banished and will reform over time... there is no way of destroying them permanently, so the only way to prevent them from crossing over into the mortal realm is to limit the practice of magic or... well, let's just say that this is the best option. If magic use is limited, then the Veil has less chance of being weakened or torn, thus demons cannot escape. Mages who prove to be strong of will by completing the Harrowing are free to go about their business with minimal interference from the Templars. The only problems arise when there is no one watching the Templars, as in the case of Kirkwall. That's supposed to be the Seekers' job, but I have no idea why they let the Kirkwall Templars become so abusive... I'm certainly not advocating that.
And who hunt Evil Templar ? Right...........none .
The Seekers do that.
The problem is the Seekers seem to be chosen from the most fanatical mage-hating Templars of them all.
It took a ridiculous set of circumstances to make Cassandra NOT one of them.
The Seekers do that.
The problem is the Seekers seem to be chosen from the most fanatical mage-hating Templars of them all.
It took a ridiculous set of circumstances to make Cassandra NOT one of them.
But in Asunder....from what I saw..the seeker gone bonker too !
The Seekers do that.
They do indeed, Lambert himself killed an evil templar in Asunder.
But Gaider wanted her saved for some ridiculous reason or another.
The duty of the Templars is to watch the mages for signs of corruption and to kill them if they become abominations or attempt to practice blood magic.
Why can't the mage look after themself . They can kill a blood mage as well .
Why can't the mage look after themself . They can kill a blood mage as well .
Obviously not if Orsino is anything to go by.
The 1st enchanter in DAO could have . And so would Wynn . Why drag Orsino ? Thats your exemple....really ? orsino ? So you gonna Judge all the circles in existance and all mage cose of one dude ?
So you gonna Judge all the circles in existance and all mage cose of one dude ?
Why not?
Mage supporters seem to do it for Templars.
Why not?
Mage supporters seem to do it for Templars.
I think Meredith showed remarkable restraint and self-control for a person carrying around Stormbringer for half a decade.
Argh I'm not going there with ya...if you can't see it . So be it . But Orsino doesn't count .
But in Asunder....from what I saw..the seeker gone bonker too !
Yeah, which is why the Inquisition is needed.
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