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[Darkly Tranquil]

I think it's going to make an excellent spittoon sitting next to the Inquisitorial throne.

[Han Shot First]

They did, with nasal bars, or cages.   That much real estate open without one is asking to get your face cut off.

 

That wasn't always the case. A few examples of medieval European helms without nasal bars or cages:

 

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[Eternal Phoenix]

Its hard for a company to lead off with the most epic looking thing in the game strait away. I doubt your going to find super duper cool looking stuff right away like some of the Skyrim armour mods.

 

Well Dark Souls and Dragon's Dogma did it with their marketing. In fact many other RPG's show mid-high tier armour on the main character often in the marketing and/or find a certain armour piece to represent the character throughout the marketing.

 

They did away with a default looking character like the default Hawke this time though hence the helmet being used in place of a default face. For DA2, default male mage Hawke was the marketing so I can't complain that it's been replaced by an armored warrior whose face is covered with his helmet. It gives the idea that customization is completely yours especially when they mix it up in trailers with different classes, genders and races.

[Vilegrim]

That wasn't always the case. A few examples of medieval European helms without nasal bars or cages:

 

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fair enough.  They do look like arrow bait mind .

[Han Shot First]

fair enough.  They do look like arrow bait mind .

 

No question that there are helms that provide greater protection. I think the benefit of an open-faced helm is that none of your vision is obstructed, which might have been considered by some a worth-while tradeoff for the lesser protection. 

[Vilegrim]

No question that there are helms that provide greater protection. I think the benefit of an open-faced helm is that none of your vision is obstructed, which might have been considered by some a worth-while tradeoff for the lesser protection. 

 

 

I do however stand by the comments about the cheek pieces being to long.  That is not a good idea.

[Wulfram]

At least it seems to be a fairly historical bad idea

[PapaSmurfer]

I suppose I could offer my opinion as to why I don't think the armor BioWare is using to promote its game is terribly appealing. Of course, everything is strictly subjective -- including my understanding of the armor's appeal.

 

The current armor (that BioWare is using in its promos) looks too gladiatorial. For me, that's the main issue, and it isn't that I don't like gladiators. Gladiators can be cool. But they're gladiators: dirty, meat-headed, only-good-for-fighting gladiators. As far as I know, gladiators were not known for their skills of persuasion, nor were they known for their intelligence (okay, I'm sure that there were a few intelligent gladiators). And it's mostly the helmet -- that's what does it. The rest of the armor is all right, though not necessarily my aesthetic ideal.

 

How do I think it could have been improved? Well, first of all, make it a bit more complex and original. Gladiatorial armor was mass-produced, and as such, it's very familiar. An original design would have been cooler. Just because the face mask resembles dragon wings does not make it original; I'm sorry. It doesn't help that the aesthetic doesn't jive with the medieval/renaissance theme of Orlais. Taking a look at European ceremonial armors of the thirteenth to fifteenth centuries would have been a good place to start. They were beautiful and ornate, though many such armors were indeed too ornate. One would expect an Inquisitor to appear regal (no cape necessary, of course; I think we've seen enough of them in other games). 

 

Of course, I'm very happy with the other armors I've seen. It is honestly just that one, in particular. I think the artists did a fantastic job with almost everything. The promo armor just looks off to me, and that's all.

[Medhia_Nox]

As for "arrows" - I'm pretty sure historically most archers didn't stand 10 feet away (if you left your archers in the field that long you're pretty much consigning them to death) and because of that pesky physics stuff had to be fired in an arc and would be coming down onto a victim - so I'd imagine most face protection was for melee.

[bootyislovebootyislife]

i threw up in my mouth

[leaguer of one]

Qunari can't even "wear" a helmet..... I don't care what you weak bas put on your heads.

[virtus753]

...like Cailans golden plate armor, which while looking quite fetching is something I would never wear on the field - it draws too much attention...archers would all be aiming for you, as you are looking important with that on you...

 

I'm a little late to the party as well! I take your point here, but historically military leaders did wear quite distinctive armor even into battle. In the case of ancient Rome, for example, gods and generals are shown wearing anatomical/muscle/heroic cuirasses, whereas the typical legionaries wear ring mail or segmented torso armor. In classical literature leading military men are often described as "insignis armis" ("distinguished by his arms and armor") when they are in battle. While that certainly drew enemy attention, as the anecdotes confirm, it was felt to be necessary because a man's armor was supposed to match his status. A man of high status who wore lesser armor would be identified as a correspondingly lesser man on the battlefield, so while he might have been better off in terms of life expectancy, all of his authority would have been lost. (I use the case of Rome here simply because that's what I'm most familiar with, but you can see it in ancient Greece and many other cultures as well.)

 

Of course you're absolutely free to dress your character as you see fit (that should go without saying), but I thought I'd mention some historical precedent for what might seem like an unrealistic or fantastical aspect to the game.

 

Also, for those who missed it, in this weekend's twitch stream the devs confirmed that there would be a "global setting" to hide helmets. (It's a party-wide option -- you can't show helmets for your party but hide them on your Quizzy, or vice-versa.) Helmets will come off during most cinematics/dialogues regardless.

 

ETA: minor grammar correction

[TEWR]

I'm willing to bet the specific style of this helmet idea has been done before, but it's still pretty amazing looking nonetheless.

[lupin8314]

tbh, i dislike headgear on my characters as well. I do not like it when i cannot see their face and it usually do not match their armour anyway. so i just let them wear it for the armour but always take it off in DA2.

 

In DAO, sometimes, it got to the point i just remove the headgear altogther because i really dislike having them on my characters.

[Vicious]

google corinthian helmet 

 

remove plume if it has one.

 

carve some dragon wings but don't disrupt the design.

 

 

 

 

 

cheekpads too big? sure in that picture it looks huge, look up pictures where it's sitting on the character's head - the dimensions are nearly perfect. the design is surprisingly realistic in fact. Maybe you just dislike corinthian/phrygian helmet designs? 

[JerZey CJ]

Qunari can't even "wear" a helmet..... I don't care what you weak bas put on your heads.

Qunari's are BAMFs. The other races go around wearing their helmets, what do qunari wear? Frikken facepaint that is toxic and deadly to every other race besides them.

[Han Shot First]

 

 

cheekpads too big? sure in that picture it looks huge, look up pictures where it's sitting on the character's head - the dimensions are nearly perfect. the design is surprisingly realistic in fact. Maybe you just dislike corinthian/phrygian helmet designs? 

 

Agreed. The dimensions look to be spot on.

 

 

[Vilegrim]

As for "arrows" - I'm pretty sure historically most archers didn't stand 10 feet away (if you left your archers in the field that long you're pretty much consigning them to death) and because of that pesky physics stuff had to be fired in an arc and would be coming down onto a victim - so I'd imagine most face protection was for melee.

Nope. To the best of my knowledge visors were closed for closing with the enemy, and raised in melee, within about 30-40 meters a full draw weight long bow fires flat and the arrow is doing north of 140mph, and the guy firing it probably has armour and certainly has a melee weapon. Yeoman were hardcore. Or you could be facing crossbow men in plate, whose weapons could also ruin your day at roughly the same range and who also had beat sticks of some kind. Break them on the charge or die.

[Giantdeathrobot]

I think it looks really good. The dimensions are actually pretty realistic, and it's stylized enough to be interesting while remaining fairly grounded. Certainly much better than the vast majority of headgear in previous Dragon Age games.

[Tevinter Soldier]

I'll bite:)

 

Thamond (the Inquisition captain from one of the trailers) has a cool helmet. I like Cole's hat very much, and there is a picture of Cole and the Inquisitor (as an archer, I believe?) where the Inquisitor has a sort of kettle hat which looks kinda cool. 

 

Generally I'm a fan of "realistic" armour and weapons, i.e. stuff that looks like it could've been worn in our world, even if it's not a direct copy of any real world items.

 

Something like this?

 

fact is the inquisitors helm would even fit design of helms in some areas and fits the life saving purpose of them.

the elongated cheeks as well as sweeping out design help deflect glancing blows. which was all a helmet was good for. (that and deflect poor mans stone arrow heads.) a direct hit and you were dead 8-10.

[Vilegrim]

Something like this?

Something like this?

Henry VIII parade armour for poking fun at himself, if that is the helm i think it is. Not battlefield armour, purely to give people a good laugh, and to show you could afford a harness as a joke.

[nutcrackr]

I actually like it, it's disntinctive and hides the main characters face.

[Tevinter Soldier]

Henry VIII parade armour for poking fun at himself, if that is the helm i think it is. Not battlefield armour, purely to give people a good laugh, and to show you could afford a harness as a joke.

 

your right these are actually 15th century battle helms:

what your thinking of i gather is something like this:

 

great if your on a horse but the limited vision sees you dead on the battlefield.

[Vilegrim]

your right these are actually 15th century battle helms:

what your thinking of i gather is something like this:


great if your on a horse but the limited vision sees you dead on the battlefield.

Always prefered the Hussaria armour tbh, looks like it should be in a movie, wrecked face for centuries. Gull wing sallet with the extended gorget I can't remember the name of right now work beautifully as well, used to own one, visor raised on a catch, gorget bit could be lowered on another one, allowing any where between complete and no coverage changing in seconds.

[Annarl]

As long as I can turned them off...it's all good.  

 

I don't want to stare at the hats for 50 plus hours. lol