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[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Spoiler tagged due to size.

 

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Agreed. The dimensions look to be spot on.

 

 

 

Im a big fan of corinthian styled helmets, but that thing on the top is imo half the reason they look so awesome. The inquisitor helmet loses points for not having similar or an equalent imo

[virtus753]

Henry VIII parade armour... Not battlefield armour...

 

Exactly. A couple of pieces of Roman parade armor have also made it into the previous pages (that one with the face mask in particular), but it's worth differentiating between that and armor made for use in battle.

 

In my opinion the Inquisitor's dragon helmet seems to be aiming for somewhere in the middle, and I think I buy it on heavy armor wearers from what we've seen. I'm currently undecided on rogues, which is the first class I'd like to play, but I guess I'll find out soon! (Actually, I'm probably going qunari, but I'm thinking we should be able to stick that helmet on our companions. And now I'm trying to picture Sera in it )

[Vilegrim]

Exactly. A couple of pieces of Roman parade armor have also made it into the previous pages (that one with the face mask in particular), but it's worth differentiating between that and armor made for use in battle.
 
In my opinion the Inquisitor's dragon helmet seems to be aiming for somewhere in the middle, and I think I buy it on heavy armor wearers from what we've seen. I'm currently undecided on rogues, which is the first class I'd like to play, but I guess I'll find out soon! (Actually, I'm probably going qunari, but I'm thinking we should be able to stick that helmet on our companions. And now I'm trying to picture Sera in it )

Roman face mask is a cavalry battle helm as far as I know, supposed to be the face of a god, like crosses on some Christian era armour.

[Yermogi]

As long as I can opt-out of having a helmet on my head, they could have a hat that looks like a crocheted chicken and I wouldn't care.

[Vilegrim]

As long as I can opt-out of having a helmet on my head, they could have a hat that looks like a crocheted chicken and I wouldn't care.

But then....the hair *shudder*

[CornfedBarbarian]

 

 

What do people think?

I think you start some pretty negative threads. 

 

I am going to go and look if you have started a positive one. 

[virtus753]

Roman face mask is a cavalry battle helm as far as I know, supposed to be the face of a god, like crosses on some Christian era armour.

 

From a quick search on the internet that particular helmet only shows up on Pinterest, and according to the caption there it is considered to be at least cavalry parade/sports armor. There is also mention of a suggestion that such parade armor could be used in battle, but I haven't come across any such theories in serious scholarship. I'd love to learn more about this particular piece, but I have to admit that I suspect it based simply on its condition. The relatively few comparable parade helmets from that time period are all in much worse states -- even if they're intact, which is incredibly rare, they don't shine like that due to oxidization and other chemical processes. Frankly, I don't see how a helmet survives in that condition from the 1st-2nd c. AD, and even then I would bet good money that that example never saw battle. It's simply too clean, and I wouldn't be surprised to find it was a reconstruction based on ancient evidence, vel sim.

 

I'm not sure I really buy the face of a god theory, either, although I think the point about terrifying an enemy certainly isn't that far-fetched. (Roman standard-bearers not infrequently wore bear-, lion-, and wolf-skins over their helmets, and one late Roman author alleges that it was precisely to scare the enemy; that said, he's late, like 4th c. AD, and we certainly can't be sure he knew the motivations of people who lived centuries before him.) We do know that the standard-bearers called signiferi wore face-masks like that cavalry one into battle, but there has been a very good suggestion put forth that this was done to conceal (symbolically) the personal identity of the standard-bearer in order that he might be able to represent his unit as a whole. That theory wouldn't be applicable to individual members of the cavalry, however.

[Yermogi]

But then....the hair *shudder*

Well, there has to be at least ONE decent hair style... right? At least ONE.

[DV-01]

Two threads.. someone needed attention. Suggest the perfect hat then and send it to the team for the next game or mod it in.

[Vilegrim]

From a quick search on the internet that particular helmet only shows up on Pinterest, and according to the caption there it is considered to be at least cavalry parade/sports armor. There is also mention of a suggestion that such parade armor could be used in battle, but I haven't come across any such theories in serious scholarship. I'd love to learn more about this particular piece, but I have to admit that I suspect it based simply on its condition. The relatively few comparable parade helmets from that time period are all in much worse states -- even if they're intact, which is incredibly rare, they don't shine like that due to oxidization and other chemical processes. Frankly, I don't see how a helmet survives in that condition from the 1st-2nd c. AD, and even then I would bet good money that that example never saw battle. It's simply too clean, and I wouldn't be surprised to find it was a reconstruction based on ancient evidence, vel sim.
 
I'm not sure I really buy the face of a god theory, either, although I think the point about terrifying an enemy certainly isn't that far-fetched. (Roman standard-bearers not infrequently wore bear-, lion-, and wolf-skins over their helmets, and one late Roman author alleges that it was precisely to scare the enemy; that said, he's late, like 4th c. AD, and we certainly can't be sure he knew the motivations of people who lived centuries before him.) We do know that the standard-bearers called signiferi wore face-masks like that cavalry one into battle, but there has been a very good suggestion put forth that this was done to conceal (symbolically) the personal identity of the standard-bearer in order that he might be able to represent his unit as a whole. That theory wouldn't be applicable to individual members of the cavalry, however.

Where the mask is a separate piece i have seen them labelled as battlehelms. When it is integral it is almost certainly parade, the Sutton Hoo helm, while early anglo saxon has the form of a cavalry helm, and would certainly be functional, the equipment of the kataphractoi also bears looking at, the demoralising affect of a disciplined line of gleaming expressionless masks, with the eery screaming wail of the noise makers on the standard shouldn't be under estimated either

[virtus753]

Where the mask is a separate piece i have seen them labelled as battlehelms. When it is integral it is almost certainly parade, the Sutton Hoo helm, while early anglo saxon has the form of a cavalry helm, and would certainly be functional, the equipment of the kataphractoi also bears looking at, the demoralising affect of a disciplined line of gleaming expressionless masks, with the eery screaming wail of the noise makers on the standard shouldn't be under estimated either

 

But the mask above is integral to the helmet, or so it seems, which is one of the reasons that I'm saying it's in all likelihood not for battle. I do agree that it would be unnerving to see such masks in battle, but that putative effect alone doesn't provide evidence that they were worn for that purpose (or at all, beyond the signiferi).

 

My point about the face of a god theory is that I don't see a logical connection between gods and the kind of terror inspired by expressionless masks or animal skins. A face of a god might inspire what we call fear or dread, but that doesn't mean that all things meant to inspire fear must be a face of a god -- I don't think religion has anything to do with it here; moreover, the kind of fear that gods inspire (as in "God-fearing") is reverence or dread of wrong-doing (verecundia), not terror or fear for one's life (timor, metus, horror, formido, pavor). We might translate both types as "fear" or "dread" in English, but they were not at all synonymous according to the people who would be wearing this stuff.

 

(Also, I should point out that the Romans didn't use standards that could make any sort of noise until they adopted the dracones in favor of eagles in the 4th century AD. In other words, noise-making standards would not have been in use at the time that the helmet above would have been worn, if indeed it is genuine.)

[Vilegrim]

But the mask above is integral to the helmet, or so it seems, which is one of the reasons that I'm saying it's in all likelihood not for battle. I do agree that it would be unnerving to see such masks in battle, but that putative effect alone doesn't provide evidence that they were worn for that purpose (or at all, beyond the signiferi).
 
My point about the face of a god theory is that I don't see a logical connection between gods and the kind of terror inspired by expressionless masks or animal skins. A face of a god might inspire what we call fear or dread, but that doesn't mean that all things meant to inspire fear must be a face of a god -- I don't think religion has anything to do with it here; moreover, the kind of fear that gods inspire (as in "God-fearing") is reverence or dread of wrong-doing (verecundia), not terror or fear for one's life (timor, metus, horror, formido, pavor). We might translate both types as "fear" or "dread" in English, but they were not at all synonymous according to the people who would be wearing this stuff.
 
(Also, I should point out that the Romans didn't use standards that could make any sort of noise until they adopted the dracones in favor of eagles in the 4th century AD. In other words, noise-making standards would not have been in use at the time that the helmet above would have been worn, if indeed it is genuine.)

Face of a god theory was supposedly a talisman for the wearer, (you could also get Alexander masks for instance )is their an image I have missed because I think We are refering to different helms here. On the draco Arrian refers to them and he died in 160AD, they also appear on the Ludovisi Sarcophagus from 260ish, So it was in use at those times.

[virtus753]

Face of a god theory was supposedly a talisman for the wearer, (you could also get Alexander masks for instance )is their an image I have missed because I think We are refering to different helms here. On the draco Arrian refers to them and he died in 160AD, they also appear on the Ludovisi Sarcophagus from 260ish, So it was in use at those times.

 

I'm still not sure we should be envisioning a generic face mask as a type of talisman, apotropaic or otherwise.

 

The helm I'm talking about is in the middle of a bunch of Roman helmets a couple of pages back -- I can copy and paste it, but I'll have to do it later, since I need to run.

 

And while Arrian attests to them and one can be seen on the Ludovisi Sarcophagus, I believe those are in the auxiliaries which imported them. I suspect they were to be found in the hands of a small percentage of auxiliary units (each unit could have its own selection of particular standards in addition to the eagle and, in the imperial era, the imperial imago) before they became widespread, which wasn't until later. Sorry for the confused sentence structure -- in a bit of a rush! Fun discussing this, though.

[whattheduece23]

Crafted Heavy armor in general is 90% painfully bad Design. Crafted with all metal slots "Defender armor" yet visually its 90% leather and cloth.

[Pewps]

 

Nothing takes longer to design or is more intensely debated than our main character, and nothing on the main character receives more iteration than helmets. Helmets are our protagonist's first face. They should create a unique and recognizable identity for the character while also telegraphing densely packed information to the back of the player's brain through familiar symbols and shapes.

 

This is a direct quote from the Inquisition art book. It is followed by 40-50 pictures of helmets, a vast majority of which never made it into the game. Instead we're left with helmets such as elven turbans and pimp hats. When most of our options look like the Templar Scribe's Cowl (no one can tell me that they thought this looked good), we're left with a distinct lack of options for our character's "first face".