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[IntoTheDarkness]

After I put him on the throne he immediately ditches me, citing impossibility of heir between two grey wardens. My character would have abhorred at the lack of choice to murder Alistair on that spot, because my character had devoted herself to Alistair all upto that point. I didn't harden Alistair on purpose to see this.

 

Anyway, this isn't the case when you play a human female warden. Alistair shows concerns for the same problem, but female warden gets to stick with Alistair.

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[Lavaeolus]

Alistair will dump the human Warden just like the elves unless you publicly seal the deal and announce yourself queen in front of the Landsmeet. After you do that, however, his hands are tied. So yippee for him. Note that human mages also can't become queen, and will always get the dialogue. Human nobles who didn't go "I'm now queen, everyone!" will also get moreorless the same exact dialogue.

 

Everyone may choose to stick on as mistress if he's hardened.

[Willowhugger]

The short version is the reason Alistair doesn't want to be King is he's aware better than most that Kings don't get to choose who they want to marry, do, or be with.

In short, Alistair is aware he can't marry for love.

Cousland Warden, however, can press the issue because she's got that sort of prestige and position.

[Hydwn]

If you harden Alistair, you can continue the relationship.  An unhardened Alistair knows he has to marry an aristocrat, though, and won't commit adultery on the side of even an arranged marriage.  

 

Cousland is an aristrocrat, and human, so she qualifies.  It's unclear if elves can hold a noble title - I don't think there's one anywhere in the game who does - but neither the Dalish or the City Elf does.

[gottaloveme]

The short version is the reason Alistair doesn't want to be King is he's aware better than most that Kings don't get to choose who they want to marry, do, or be with.

In short, Alistair is aware he can't marry for love.

Cousland Warden, however, can press the issue because she's got that sort of prestige and position.

 

Yes - apart from the no kids thing (which is improbable (in the game) but not impossible) FemCousland is a great choice for a king. Daughter of the most important man in Ferelden after the king himself and trained from birth to take up the responsibilities and obligations of the ruling classes. Oh, yes and the prestige.

[gottaloveme]

After I put him on the throne he immediately ditches me, citing impossibility of heir between two grey wardens. My character would have abhorred at the lack of choice to murder Alistair on that spot, because my character had devoted herself to Alistair all upto that point. I didn't harden Alistair on purpose to see this.

 

Anyway, this isn't the case when you play a human female warden. Alistair shows concerns for the same problem, but female warden gets to stick with Alistair.

 

Harden him.

[Mike3207]

It's more the other nobles are racist-but I think it's more class-based. They won't accept anyone but a aristocrat as a potential ruler.For Alistair, it's the children. He fears 2 Wardens won't be able to have children, and the succession is involved there.

 

I think the City Elf can be a Bann. It's a minor title, but it is a title.

[Willowhugger]

If you harden Alistair, you can continue the relationship.  An unhardened Alistair knows he has to marry an aristocrat, though, and won't commit adultery on the side of even an arranged marriage.  

 

Cousland is an aristrocrat, and human, so she qualifies.  It's unclear if elves can hold a noble title - I don't think there's one anywhere in the game who does - but neither the Dalish or the City Elf does.

 

Shianni can be the first elven Bann.

But only if the Warden forces the issue.

[Willowhugger]

Yes - apart from the no kids thing (which is improbable (in the game) but not impossible) FemCousland is a great choice for a king. Daughter of the most important man in Ferelden after the king himself and trained from birth to take up the responsibilities and obligations of the ruling classes. Oh, yes and the prestige.

How much Alister loves you can be shown by the fact that he's willing to overlook Female Cousland having another man's child to be heir.

He's unhappy about it but he prefers to be with you than object.

That's dedication.

[AutumnWitch]

Harden him.

 

that works with most men...or so I've been told.

[gottaloveme]

saucy minx

[Dova]

The funny thing is also is that he breaks up with you right when all your companions are in the same room. Not classy. 

[theskymoves]

Alistair isn't a racist... but the Landsmeet is.

 

Unless you were asleep through this game, I'm sure you noticed that a ruler who doesn't have the Landsmeet's approval is not a ruler for very long. E.g. Loghain, who gets voted off the throne (or defeated in a trial by combat) after the Landsmeet is officially called.

 

Alistair might not care for the whole "pure non-magic human noble blood heir" as a requisite to being a monarch, but the Bannorn does. And their contentment keeps him on the throne. He marries a non-human or a mage, they'll get angry and vote him off the throne, and/or the country will descend into power-grabbing and fighting again, at a time when stability and unity are most important.

 

 

You mean you put him on the throne against his will (since he kept saying over and over how he doesn't want to be king, it doesn't mean anything to him, he'd rather stay with the Grey Wardens, he'd rather stay with you, and he questions how being king will affect your relationship), and you chose to ignore his wishes and put him in a position where he feels he has to accept the throne or doom everyone to anarchy and chaos, then get pissy with him for doing what he's supposed to do as king?

 

Did your character put him on the throne because she "devoted herself to Alistair," or because she wanted to be queen? And somehow missed how the country is antsy for an heir (one of the controversies surrounding Calan's marriage to Anora, since five years of marriage produced no child) and how mages and non-humans are not considered "human monarch" material?

 

When Alistair says "I'm more used to people not really listening when I go on about things," I think that includes LOT of female Wardens.

[Willowhugger]

When Alistair says "I'm more used to people not really listening when I go on about things," I think that includes LOT of female Wardens.

 

Much like me, many don't really quite see the characters as PEOPLE until they get a rude awakening.

Which is why they're good.

It's why I love when Alistair kills the Archdemon if you romance him.

It's a great moment of horror for gamers who don't see their NPCs as anything but their slaves.

[ShadowLordXII]

If he you harden him, he'll say screw convention if you fight for your love.

[Darkly Tranquil]

The funny thing is also is that he breaks up with you right when all your companions are in the same room. Not classy. 

 

At any point has Alistair ever given any indication that emotional intelligence is his forte? Why are you surprised by this?

[Shadow Fox]

Alistair isn't a racist... but the Landsmeet is.

 

Unless you were asleep through this game, I'm sure you noticed that a ruler who doesn't have the Landsmeet's approval is not a ruler for very long. E.g. Loghain, who gets voted off the throne (or defeated in a trial by combat) after the Landsmeet is officially called.

 

Alistair might not care for the whole "pure non-magic human noble blood heir" as a requisite to being a monarch, but the Bannorn does. And their contentment keeps him on the throne. He marries a non-human or a mage, they'll get angry and vote him off the throne, and/or the country will descend into power-grabbing and fighting again, at a time when stability and unity are most important.

 

 

You mean you put him on the throne against his will (since he kept saying over and over how he doesn't want to be king, it doesn't mean anything to him, he'd rather stay with the Grey Wardens, he'd rather stay with you, and he questions how being king will affect your relationship), and you chose to ignore his wishes and put him in a position where he feels he has to accept the throne or doom everyone to anarchy and chaos, then get pissy with him for doing what he's supposed to do as king?

 

Did your character put him on the throne because she "devoted herself to Alistair," or because she wanted to be queen? And somehow missed how the country is antsy for an heir (one of the controversies surrounding Calan's marriage to Anora, since five years of marriage produced no child) and how mages and non-humans are not considered "human monarch" material?

Also it's worth noting the bannon barely accepts Alistair as is.

 

Not even my canon Cousland could do that to him so they both keep kicking darkspawn ass till the taint kills em and Anora gets the throne she wanted.

[Ryzaki]

Much like me, many don't really quite see the characters as PEOPLE until they get a rude awakening.

Which is why they're good.

It's why I love when Alistair kills the Archdemon if you romance him.

It's a great moment of horror for gamers who don't see their NPCs as anything but their slaves.

 

Ugh I hated that.

 

My fem PC wouldn't just sit there like some damsel while he killed himself. They gave Alistair agency at the expensive of my PCs. :X now I just leave him behind since apparently using the spell force field on him slipped my mages mind. (well assuming I'm not having Archie eat Loghain which is most of the time now XD)

 

Screw. That.

[luna1124]

Don't feel bad, on my first play-through I WAS playing a fem Cousland and he broke up with her after the landsmeet. Because I knew not of the dialogue choice to become queen.

[Willowhugger]

Ugh I hated that.

 

My fem PC wouldn't just sit there like some damsel while he killed himself. They gave Alistair agency at the expensive of my PCs. :X now I just leave him behind since apparently using the spell force field on him slipped my mages mind. (well assuming I'm not having Archie eat Loghain which is most of the time now XD)

 

Screw. That.

 

Templar.

 

In my case, it was Leliana dumping me in a harsh and nasty manner at the Landsmeet for being the lying, cheating scumbag I was.

I promptly deleted that save and played a proper paragon boyfriend from then on.

[Ryzaki]

Templar.

 

In my case, it was Leliana dumping me in a harsh and nasty manner at the Landsmeet for being the lying, cheating scumbag I was.

I promptly deleted that save and played a proper paragon boyfriend from then on.

 

I've used that spell on templars and he can only purge everyone that's not himself. So yeah...

 

lol you should've hardened her then waited to talk to her at the coronation. She'd been cool with it then.

[luna1124]

If you listen to what Alistair says in the landsmeet (if you are not a human noble and you say you will rule beside him), he says something like I don't think they will agree to that, I think they are having a hard time accepting me. (something along those lines)

[theskymoves]

If you listen to what Alistair says in the landsmeet (if you are not a human noble and you say you will rule beside him), he says something like I don't think they will agree to that, I think they are having a hard time accepting me. (something along those lines)

 

I don't think that would work. The Landsmeet barely wants to accept me. They'll never accept a queen who isn't from a noble family.

 

I think that's the line.

[luna1124]

Yep, that's it. ^^