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[Master Warder Z_]

Interesting... well, I'm always bringing up how the Dalish should migrate to the unexplored lands to the northwest (the Donark Forest), so perhaps that might be a good place for the mages to settle into if they decide to flee.  I'm not positive that the Chantry would allow this, but depending on how Inquisition unfolds, they may not be in any position to stop them or to pursue them later on... so it's at least a possibility. 

 

If this occurs alongside the Circle's continued existence, however... hm... I don't want to be too negative but I'm not entirely sure this would work.  I mean, the (formerly?) White Chantry nations would basically be agreeing to raise, feed, and train mages so that they could then travel to a potential rival nation, or even Tevinter of all places, once they came of age.  If the mage settlements are formed within the borders of existing nations, there is still the issue of them possibly migrating to Tevinter and strengthening an ancient enemy of the south.  Personally, I think you'd be better off migrating and leaving the Circle behind.  Maybe you could train new Templars from future generations of non-mages born in this new land?  It could happen...

 

It sounds to me like you are just trying to not see what i see as the most likely thing to occur from this.

 

Another Imperium rising elsewhere.

[dragonflight288]

Ultimately i'm as pro circle as i am pro Templar, i support the templars because they seek a return to the status quo, and that is what i am willing to fight for.

 

The Status quo keeps the world rolling on its axis.

 

I don't get the impression that the templars are trying to return the status quo. Some are, but based on Asunder and Lambert's decision to dissolve the Nevarran Accord and "hunt mages and do the Maker's word without the Chantry's rules getting in the way," being more or less what he says, and I see it as the templars who rebelled from the Chantry as trying to commit genocide, or at least put mages 'in their place' and have no regard whatsoever to the well-being of anyone else. 

 

That's the impression I get. 

[Icy Magebane]

It sounds to me like you are just trying to not see what i see as the most likely thing to occur from this.

 

Another Imperium rising elsewhere.

Each player will have the option of siding with the Templars or the mages in Inquisition.  The Templar solution is obvious, a return to the former system.  That said, I'm curious to see if there are any viable options for mage freedom.  If the mages manage to route the Templars in battle and they have the backing of the Inquisition, there is a chance that large numbers of them could escape pursuit long enough to head west and settle in a presumably unoccupied land. 

 

The possibility of an Exalted March is dependent on whether or not the Chantry regains its former level of authority... if it doesn't, who is going to pursue the mages?

[Inprea]

The upside of mage detection is preventing bad incidents from happening.

The downside is it would make magicide easier.

 

Now I'm envisioning the Templars commissioning building-sized Mage-Hunter Golems.

 

"HALT MAGE."

 

 

Then they turn on the mundanes as they might have mage children in the future and someone has to travel back in time to stop them if X-men taught us anything about that.

 

It is a risk but I don't know how you could make a good enough fence without some means of detection. Unless you could do something like develop an anti-magic glyph that would cover an entire town or city.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I have to wonder what the Templars in Tevinter DO really.
 
Beat up the poor mages?

What do the goldcloaks do in game of thrones?

There ya go.

[Willowhugger]

Then they turn on the mundanes as they might have mage children in the future and someone has to travel back in time to stop them if X-men taught us anything about that.

 

It is a risk but I don't know how you could make a good enough fence without some means of detection. Unless you could do something like develop an anti-magic glyph that would cover an entire town or city.

 

I suppose it depends on how powerful we think mages are versus mundanes.

 

They're very very good against most of the thugs we meet.

On the other hand, they don't seem any more immune to arrows and swords than anyone else.

 

Of course, I think if mages were allowed a bit more leniency, they'd also start to turn against themselves. I think Tevinter's mages stick together because of a shared cultural background.

If the Circles weren't united against the Templars, they'd probably start developing regional loyalties and turn on each other.

[Inprea]

Interesting... well, I'm always bringing up how the Dalish should migrate to the unexplored lands to the northwest (the Donark Forest), so perhaps that might be a good place for the mages to settle into if they decide to flee.  I'm not positive that the Chantry would allow this, but depending on how Inquisition unfolds, they may not be in any position to stop them or to pursue them later on... so it's at least a possibility. 

 

If this occurs alongside the Circle's continued existence, however... hm... I don't want to be too negative but I'm not entirely sure this would work.  I mean, the (formerly?) White Chantry nations would basically be agreeing to raise, feed, and train mages so that they could then travel to a potential rival nation, or even Tevinter of all places, once they came of age.  If the mage settlements are formed within the borders of existing nations, there is still the issue of them possibly migrating to Tevinter and strengthening an ancient enemy of the south.  Personally, I think you'd be better off migrating and leaving the Circle behind.  Maybe you could train new Templars from future generations of non-mages born in this new land?  It could happen...

 

I rather like the idea of the mages traveling to an unexplored region. Though rather then a mass exodus I would hope they would send those mages best trained in survival and combat. A joint Dailish and mage effort to find a nation of their own. It would be nice if mages, the people that cast down the ancient elfs, became their greatest allies and formed a new nation together.

 

Now as for the migration issue. It's a risk yes but that would apply pressure to make the circles into places the mage want to stay at rather then a place they have to stay. Besides the Imperium is still a scary place. It seems that week mages are more likely to be made tranquil there then they are in the circle. To me it seems like the Imperium really could be compared to the sith empire with how the mages handle one another. It's a system built to weed out the weak.

[Willowhugger]

The possibility of an Exalted March is dependent on whether or not the Chantry regains its former level of authority... if it doesn't, who is going to pursue the mages?

 

The Inquisitor is going to be hailed as the Herald of Andraste, a figure probably of incredible religious importance.

If they're anti-Chantry, that might be really bad for them.

 

Not to mention both the Templars and Mages are their method of maintaining military power.

I also don't think the Templars necessarilly want to return to the Old System.

 

After all, that failed and Lambert considered it a mistake to let the Mages have any influence.

[Inprea]

I suppose it depends on how powerful we think mages are versus mundanes.

 

They're very very good against most of the thugs we meet.

On the other hand, they don't seem any more immune to arrows and swords than anyone else.

 

Of course, I think if mages were allowed a bit more leniency, they'd also start to turn against themselves. I think Tevinter's mages stick together because of a shared cultural background.

If the Circles weren't united against the Templars, they'd probably start developing regional loyalties and turn on each other.

 

Well even now they're divided into different fraternities. That's one reason I don't see the rise of a new Imperium. I believe that was the result of mages in a unique culture.

[Willowhugger]

I rather like the idea of the mages traveling to an unexplored region. Though rather then a mass exodus I would hope they would send those mages best trained in survival and combat. A joint Dailish and mage effort to find a nation of their own. It would be nice if mages, the people that cast down the ancient elfs, became their greatest allies and formed a new nation together.

 

Now as for the migration issue. It's a risk yes but that would apply pressure to make the circles into places the mage want to stay at rather then a place they have to stay. Besides the Imperium is still a scary place. It seems that week mages are more likely to be made tranquil there then they are in the circle. To me it seems like the Imperium really could be compared to the sith empire with how the mages handle one another. It's a system built to weed out the weak.

 

The problem with a "new land for mages" is new mages are born all the time in Thedas.

 

Mage Israel isn't a place they can just ship them.

 

Especially if countries want to have mages for their own use in the future and the Templars aren't there to stop them.

[Willowhugger]

Though, that does seem funny as they could just troll the players.

 

Dragon Age: Inquisition Epilogue

 

Inquisitor: I want a homeland for mages.

 

King Alistair: I give the Mages the Hinterlands to settle!

 

Dragon Age 4: Even More Inquisitioning

King Alistair: Ooops, sorry. I hate that whole Mage Homeland thing didn't work out!

[Icy Magebane]

I rather like the idea of the mages traveling to an unexplored region. Though rather then a mass exodus I would hope they would send those mages best trained in survival and combat. A joint Dailish and mage effort to find a nation of their own. It would be nice if mages, the people that cast down the ancient elfs, became their greatest allies and formed a new nation together.

 

Now as for the migration issue. It's a risk yes but that would apply pressure to make the circles into places the mage want to stay at rather then a place they have to stay. Besides the Imperium is still a scary place. It seems that week mages are more likely to be made tranquil there then they are in the circle. To me it seems like the Imperium really could be compared to the sith empire with how the mages handle one another. It's a system built to weed out the weak.

Yes, sending scouts in advance would be for the best, but I don't think it's wise to wait too long... I mean, if the mages are too cautious and remain in a large group for too long, the Chantry, Templars, and non-mage armies may rally in an attempt to take them down.  It might be better to say, send scouts in advance of the main group, so that if anything too dangerous is ahead, they can be warned while still remaining on the move.  If Dalish elves could actually be convinced to help with this, they would probably be ideal for the scouting parties...

 

That's actually a good point about mages being reluctant to go to Tevinter... it's mainly due to ignorance, overconfidence, or naivete that any of them try, since it's easy to either be killed or enslaved once you cross the border.  Once that knowledge becomes common, most mages probably won't be too interested in taking their chances... the ones who do would either die or replace somebody who is already living in Tevinter, so it probably wouldn't upset the balance of power very much.

[Br3admax]

If your Inquisitor is dumb enough to ask for a mage homeland, they deserve to be punk'd. 

[Inprea]

The problem with a "new land for mages" is new mages are born all the time in Thedas.

 

Mage Israel isn't a place they can just ship them.

 

Especially if countries want to have mages for their own use in the future and the Templars aren't there to stop them.

 

Indeed mages would still be born but now there would be a place they're welcome when they come of age. It would also be good if the new state would send out people to retrieve mage children that weren't desired.

 

As for a nation refusing to give up a human resource like a mage. It's possible that's for certain but I don't believe the templars do a very good job of protecting the mages from the nobles anyway. I wanted to strangle the life from Sebastian the moment he said, "We lost our mages." That he referred to them as ours like property was quite irksome.

[Icy Magebane]

The Inquisitor is going to be hailed as the Herald of Andraste, a figure probably of incredible religious importance.

If they're anti-Chantry, that might be really bad for them.

 

Not to mention both the Templars and Mages are their method of maintaining military power.

I also don't think the Templars necessarilly want to return to the Old System.

 

After all, that failed and Lambert considered it a mistake to let the Mages have any influence.

While I agree, it's undeniable that we will have the option to be pro-mage to an extent.  So while the Inquisition may not be able to directly harm the Chantry, they can indirectly cause harm by not helping them.

 

If the Templars don't want a return to the old system, what do you think they want?  A more strict Circle?

[Br3admax]

That he referred to them as ours like property was quite irksome.

I suppose when thee say the Dalish say, "our people," they're being possessive too.  

[Willowhugger]

If your Inquisitor is dumb enough to ask for a mage homeland, they deserve to be punk'd. 

 

Dragon Age 4: Even More Inquisitioning

 

New Inquisitor: So what happened to the Elvish Rights Act?

King Alistair: Funny thing, we put it into effect and then HORRIBLE THINGS HAPPENED.

 

New Inquisitor: And Mages?

King Alistair: EVEN WORSE.

New Inquisitor: What about saving that kitten?

King Alistair: It turned out to be Dumat reborn.

New Inquisitor: *sigh*

King Alistair: I wish you'd learn not to do good things. It never works out.

[raging_monkey]

Complicated is what they are. Mages will continue to exist, they are a naturally occurring element in Thedas, but there is likely no stopping that. So what are we to do with them? Thankfully there is already an answer, through the circle they are kept safe from themselves and others, they learn their gifts, they also warded over and kept under watch to prevent them from recreating some things that are better off in the history books then in reality. Ultimately i'm as pro circle as i am pro Templar, i support the templars because they seek a return to the status quo, and that is what i am willing to fight for. The Status quo keeps the world rolling on its axis.

thank you

[Willowhugger]

While I agree, it's undeniable that we will have the option to be pro-mage to an extent.  So while the Inquisition may not be able to directly harm the Chantry, they can indirectly cause harm by not helping them.

 

If the Templars don't want a return to the old system, what do you think they want?  A more strict Circle?

 

I imagine the Templars desire the Mages to probably be forcibly put under the Templar control. Before, the Enchanters controlled the Circles. I wouldn't be surprised in the new system if the Templars weren't directly in charge as so many Mage players seem to think they are.

That's assuming some don't intend something much worse like abolishing the teaching of magic altogether and going back to forbiding magical training save not to be possessed by demons.

 

Personally, I want to help the Chantry a great deal AND help Mages.

[Br3admax]

 

King Alistair: I wish you'd learn not to do good things. It never works out.

Demanding sovereign territory is not a good thing, Especially without the say so of the people you claim to represent, which is not the mages, or the Dalish, it's all the people of their respective kingdoms. Mostly the ones who actually have to pay tribute.  

[Inprea]

Yes, sending scouts in advance would be for the best, but I don't think it's wise to wait too long... I mean, if the mages are too cautious and remain in a large group for too long, the Chantry, Templars, and non-mage armies may rally in an attempt to take them down.  It might be better to say, send scouts in advance of the main group, so that if anything too dangerous is ahead, they can be warned while still remaining on the move.  If Dalish elves could actually be convinced to help with this, they would probably be ideal for the scouting parties...

 

That's actually a good point about mages being reluctant to go to Tevinter... it's mainly due to ignorance, overconfidence, or naivete that any of them try, since it's easy to either be killed or enslaved once you cross the border.  Once that knowledge becomes common, most mages probably won't be too interested in taking their chances... the ones who do would either die or replace somebody who is already living in Tevinter, so it probably wouldn't upset the balance of power very much.

 

Striking while the iron is hot or in this case while you're potential pursuers are in chaos and weakened makes sense. I'm just fearful that they'd cross the mountains and find a desert that isn't suitable for a large band of people to travel through. Though with the dailies knowledge of nature magic, making plants grow, and the additional mages it may be enough to grow sufficient food even in a desolate region. That would also provide an excellent barrier to pursuers or invaders.

 

Though I believe the most will actually be able to achieve is offering the mages a new home in the Inquisition. I do really like the idea of a mage elf state though where old wounds can begin healing.

[Willowhugger]

Demanding sovereign territory is not a good thing, Especially without the say so of the people you claim to represent, which is not the mages, or the Dalish, it's all the people of their respective kingdoms. Mostly the ones who actually have to pay tribute.  

If I'm the Mage Inquisitor, I'm probably the highest ranking senior mage alive after Riftplosion.

[Icy Magebane]

Indeed mages would still be born but now there would be a place they're welcome when they come of age. It would also be good if the new state would send out people to retrieve mage children that weren't desired.

 

As for a nation refusing to give up a human resource like a mage. It's possible that's for certain but I don't believe the templars do a very good job of protecting the mages from the nobles anyway. I wanted to strangle the life from Sebastian the moment he said, "We lost our mages." That he referred to them as ours like property was quite irksome.

The way I see this going is that the mages of today manage to escape, but the Chantry establishes new Circles for future generations... I don't think they will allow them to leave.  What would likely occur is that if the Chantry can't muster the manpower to go after the mages and they do settle into a homeland to the west, that area becomes a new nation with little contact with most of Thedas, at least for a while.  The existing nations probably won't be willing to ship children across the continent to live in this new country that they didn't want to come into existence in the first place, right?  So we'd probably see Thedas return to normal except a nation of mages rises in the far west...

 

Hm... as I'm typing this, I have to wonder how such a thing could even be possible considering the save import nightmare it would cause, but it's still an interesting potential future...

[Willowhugger]

The way I see this going is that the mages of today manage to escape, but the Chantry establishes new Circles for future generations... I don't think they will allow them to leave.  What would likely occur is that if the Chantry can't muster the manpower to go after the mages and they do settle into a homeland to the west, that area becomes a new nation with little contact with most of Thedas, at least for a while.  The existing nations probably won't be willing to ship children across the continent to live in this new country that they didn't want to come into existence in the first place, right?  So we'd probably see Thedas return to normal except a nation of mages rises in the far west...

 

Hm... as I'm typing this, I have to wonder how such a thing could even be possible considering the save import nightmare it would cause, but it's still an interesting potential future...

 

I maintain this is the most probable outcome for a Mage Victory:

The Circle System is re-established with the Inquisition serving as the replacement for the Templars as their supervisors. Most surviving Templars either join the Inquisition, disband, or become mage-hunting terrorists/vigilantes.

The mages grumble less because they can join the Inquisition themselves and possibly rise to the top.

The Enchanters take over the Circle system and the Inquisition has authority to kill any mage who misbehaves, Traquil them, or Annul the Circles.

 

Which is, in a way, actually worse for them.

[Icy Magebane]

I maintain this is the most probable outcome for a Mage Victory:

The Circle System is re-established with the Inquisition serving as the replacement for the Templars as their supervisors. Most surviving Templars either join the Inquisition, disband, or become mage-hunting terrorists/vigilantes.

Well, it's certainly less drastic than what we've been dreaming up, that's for sure... Not as exciting though.