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#2701
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I know the Qunari can and will take Tevinter when the time comes. But Minathrous won't fall.

after first invasion north is now have a fortifivations and prepare to fight with Qunari who for hundreds years was not able to land on Tevinter coast and survive or who is left become slaves



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Seriously so far every Tevinter featured in the games that wasn't an elven slave, was either a slaver or a Magister.


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after first invasion north is now have a fortifivations and prepare to fight with Qunari who for hundreds years was not able to land on Tevinter land and survive or who is left become slaves

 

You really have no idea what you are talking about.

 

During the prior Qunari War: Tevinter was steam rolled, The entirety of the country outside of a single city was under Qunari rule.



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Seriously so far every Tevinter featured in the games that wasn't an elven slave, was either a slaver or a Magister.

every Tevinters who was featured in games was a criminal from Tevinter..even Dorian who is worst



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I haven't forgotten. But if a game takes place in Tevinter(which is likely since there are so many stories to tell there) then you are already in the walls.  ;)

That or just another example of a protagonist achieving the 'impossible'. 

 

As for what we hear about Tevinter being filtered through the Chantry, we've run into enough slavers and Magisters to see that the Chantry isn't lying about them.

 

What if when you go to Tevinter you find out 'slavery' isn't quite what it seems? What if the slaves live quite comfortably albeit uneducated? What if earning one's 'freedom' is a matter of time or work? What if once freed slaves decide to stay on as servants for their masters? What if the real slavery are the alienages that dot the rest of Thedas? What if abuse of blood magic is restricted to only an extremely liberal sect of the magisterium? We don't know what it's like because we've never been there. We've only heard second hand accounts from biased characters and organizations.



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What if when you go to Tevinter you find out 'slavery' isn't quite what it seems. What if the slaves live quite comfortably albeit uneducated? What if the real slavery are the alienages that dot the rest of Thedas. What if use of blood magic is abused by only the an extremely liberal sect of the magisterium? We don't know what it's like because we've never been there. We've only heard second hand accounts by biased characters and organizations.

 

David Gaider has said that elves in Tevinter actually DO look down on Alienage elves.

 

Elves in Tevinter include many slaves.

But Free Elves DO exist.

 

Which is not something that exists in their mind in the ghettoized elves of the rest of Thedas.

 

They think they have a chance to become rich and influential in ways that other elves do not. Also, not all elves are slaves in Tevinter or all slaves elves.



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What if when you go to Tevinter you find out 'slavery' isn't quite what it seems? What if the slaves live quite comfortably albeit uneducated? What if earning one's 'freedom' is a matter of time or work? What if once freed slaves decide to stay on as servants for their masters? What if the real slavery are the alienages that dot the rest of Thedas? What if use of blood magic is abused by only the an extremely liberal sect of the magisterium? We don't know what it's like because we've never been there. We've only heard second hand accounts from biased characters and organizations.

Alright, if the slaves in Tevinter are not slaves in the traditional sense, why are there rebellions from time to time?  They didn't want to work hard enough to earn their freedom and so they decided to attempt the most violent and potentially deadly solution?  And Alienage life is in no way akin to slavery.  The elves are oppressed but they are not forced into labor... I'm sorry but you're grasping at straws here.  Unless you have actual evidence that Tevinter is getting a bad rap, you can't claim otherwise.  There is too much evidence that proves that Tevinter is in fact extremely oppressive and violent for you to dismiss the notion as Chantry propaganda...



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every Tevinters who was featured in games was a criminal from Tevinter..even Dorian who is worst

 

How is Dorian the worst?



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You really have no idea what you are talking about.

 

During the prior Qunari War: Tevinter was steam rolled, The entirety of the country outside of a single city was under Qunari rule.

we have info only from Orlais about what was in Tevinter true this info or not, but after first invasion Qunari for hundreds years failed to even land on Tevinter coast and it is official that they have a very strong fortification and protection against them on north...damn Qunari even do not  can handle with Seheron for what Tevinter mostly do not care and it was never have much population



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How is Dorian the worst?

Because he doesn't support Tevinter's policies I bet.  ;)



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we have info only from Orlais about what was in Tevinter true this info or not, but after first invasion Qunari for hundreds years failed to even land on Tevinter coast and it is official that they have a very strong fortification and protection against them on north...damn Qunari even do not  can handle with Seheron for what Tevinter mostly do not care and it was never have much population

 

What?

 

Read WOT.

 

It has a lot of detail on the Qunari Wars.

 

Tevinter was pushed back to their capital, they were besieged there for years.



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How is Dorian the worst?

he was noone(he does even deserved to become a magister) and criminal who is exile with shame and before Inquisition he was a Venatory cultist with his teacher Avecsius



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You know what is nice about being a dwarf? You don't have to worry about magic and everyone has to be nice to you to get the lyrium. My Dwarf Noble is more worried about the Darkspawn than demons. Remember those guys? They don't go away just because they aren't in the sunlight.

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I did like that bit of oddity for Tevinter.

That elves in Tevinter, despite being slaves and property, actually have more upward mobility than in the rest of Thedas.

They'll never be Patricians.

But they can be top-shelf Plebs.



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he was noone(he does even deserved to become a magister) and criminal who is exile with shame and before Inquisition he was a Venatory cultist with his teacher Avecsius

 

I didn't know you had a copy of the game already, especially with some of the false info in this post 



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You don't have to worry about magic and everyone has to be nice to you to get the lyrium. 

 

Until the Human armies march anyway.



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every Tevinters who was featured in games was a criminal from Tevinter..even Dorian who is worst

The Tevinter slavers in the DA:O alienage had a written contract with Loghain.  According to their own nation's laws and the understanding they had with the current Regent of Ferelden, they were not committing any crime by rounding up elves and locking them in cages until they could be transported...  The slavers even stated this when questioned about it.  To say that the slavers we've seen are criminals and not representative of Tevinter culture is simply erroneous.  Slavery is legal in Tevinter and therefore the slavers we've seen were not criminals by Tevinter standards.


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David Gaider has said that elves in Tevinter actually DO look down on Alienage elves. Elves in Tevinter include many slaves.But Free Elves DO exist. Which is not something that exists in their mind in the ghettoized elves of the rest of Thedas. They think they have a chance to become rich and influential in ways that other elves do not. Also, not all elves are slaves in Tevinter or all slaves elves.

i would assume a good deal were libertari

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Alright, if the slaves in Tevinter are not slaves in the traditional sense, why are there rebellions from time to time?  They didn't want to work hard enough to earn their freedom and so they decided to attempt the most violent and potentially deadly solution?  And Alienage life is in no way akin to slavery.  The elves are oppressed but they are not forced into labor... I'm sorry but you're grasping at straws here.  Unless you have actual evidence that Tevinter is getting a bad rap, you can't claim otherwise.  There is too much evidence that proves that Tevinter is in fact extremely oppressive and violent for you to dismiss the notion as Chantry propaganda...

 

I'm not dismissing it. I'm keeping an open mind. I won't jump in to DAV thinking 'alright it's time to kill all those wretched Tevinter' without getting all the facts. I'm sure the Chantry is right about most of it. The degree of it is what I question.



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What?

 

Read WOT.

 

It has a lot of detail on the Qunari Wars.

 

Tevinter was pushed back to their capital, they were besieged there for years.

by Orlesian it was tell that capital was besieged but the capital in north what was defensless and the capital is near the sea when Qunari armada is landed

 

theImperium was not conquered even that hundreds of Qunari soldiers spread to Teinter lands...Tevinter was must to regroup his armies from south to north and not left south defensless to Orlais



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i would assume a good deal were libertari

 

Free elves can never rise to the rank of Magister or Noble Houses.

 

They probably never marry into the houses either.

They can still be very very rich and powerful, though.

 

Which is something you don't see in, say, other lands.

Mages can be enslaved in Tevinter too, so it's not a pure magocracy either.



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I'm not dismissing it. I'm keeping an open mind. I won't jump in to DAV thinking 'alright it's time to kill all those wretched Tevinter' without getting all the facts. I'm sure the Chantry is right about most of it. The degree of it is what I question.

That's fair so long as you honestly analyze the evidence that you are presented with, even if it runs contrary to what you wish to see.



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I didn't know you had a copy of the game already, especially with some of the false info in this post 

ok so what is a false info i give?

 

he is officially exile with shame who never was become a magister

 

and he was a Avecsius student who is a Venatory cultis



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Free elves can never rise to the rank of Magister or Noble Houses.

 

They probably never marry into the houses either.

They can still be very very rich and powerful, though.

 

Which is something you don't see in, say, other lands.

Mages can be enslaved in Tevinter too, so it's not a pure magocracy either.

I think it can be classified as such because even though not all mages are rulers, non-mages hold no power.  There is no such thing as a mundane Magister Lord.  :P



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Free elves can never rise to the rank of Magister or Noble Houses. They probably never marry into the houses either.They can still be very very rich and powerful, though. Which is something you don't see in, say, other lands.Mages can be enslaved in Tevinter too, so it's not a pure magocracy either.

WoT claims that they believe in might=right so who knows