Don't the Dalish have something similar to Templars called the Emerald Knights or something?
No, that was the Dales. According to WoT, the Emerald Knights was a legion created "to protect their land from human intrusion". Very different from the Templars' goals.
No, that was the Dales. According to WoT, the Emerald Knights was a legion created "to protect their land from human intrusion". Very different from the Templars' goals.
Indeed, the Dalish don't ward over their mages at all.
Bleh well i suppose that's better then some deluded tree hugger.
Think of it this way, if there had been a City Elf origin, (almost) nobody would question that character joining the Templars or siding with the Chantry. By thinking outside the box, I came up with a decent character concept that includes both as possibilities, as the character is willing to ally himself with those who hold power and can help him maintain this unexpectedly nice quality of life. This isn't a guarantee of anything, but since this Inquisitor is mainly focused on enforcing whatever laws help him acquire and maintain personal wealth and power, it's a reasonable assumption that he'd work with these groups rather than against them. Making himself dependent on lyrium would be foolish, of course, but I'm holding out hope that the devs will make an exception for the PC since it fits their pattern of behavior. If not, it's not really a big deal... he'd still probably side with them since they would presumably create a more stable Thedas.
A Dalish freedom fighter is too easy to design and work with... there's no roleplaying challenge involved really, so I got bored with my first few concepts. I'll probably dig one out when I eventually get around to a pro-mage run, but that probably won't be for a long time.
Think of it this way, if there had been a City Elf origin, (almost) nobody would question that character joining the Templars or siding with the Chantry. By thinking outside the box, I came up with a decent character concept that includes both as possibilities, as the character is willing to ally himself with those who hold power and can help him maintain this unexpectedly nice quality of life. This isn't a guarantee of anything, but since this Inquisitor is mainly focused on enforcing whatever laws help him acquire and maintain personal wealth and power, it's a reasonable assumption that he'd work with these groups rather than against them. Making himself dependent on lyrium would be foolish, of course, but I'm holding out hope that the devs will make an exception for the PC since it fits their pattern of behavior. If not, it's not really a big deal... he'd still probably side with them since they would presumably create a more stable Thedas.
A Dalish freedom fighter is too easy to design and work with... there's no roleplaying challenge involved really, so I got bored with my first few concepts. I'll probably dig one out when I eventually get around to a pro-mage run, but that probably won't be for a long time.
So you are going to roll a Dalish mercenary who basically is going to assume command of this private army to secure his own power and wealth, you are going to be taking the funds, resources and jobs offered to you by governments and organizations to bankroll your own power?
I do approve such a concept.
It reminds one of my favorite mercenary corporations from fiction period.
I don't see why a dalish should side with mages as default. Their default would probably be to not be involved in the mage-templar war.
It seems a lot of people don't think that a some dalish might not really like human mages roaming free in the world. I doubt they forget about the Imperium (and while free mages don't necessary mean a new Imperium or even a mage-dominated city/state, the dalish might still fear this scenario).
That's an excellent point and the perspective that my PC will approach this from. I mean, I can predict with some certainty what will happen based on my familiarity with the lore, but he will start off neutral and ignorant on most issues involving humans, especially the intricacies of their politics. It stands to reason that he'd ally with the strongest factions, whoever they may be... and since he's a warrior and not a mage, the idea of mage freedom isn't going to sound very appealing, especially if it's an unpopular idea among the human nobility.
especially if it's an unpopular idea among the human nobility.
Since they write the checks that keep you in lyrium 
So you are going to roll a Dalish mercenary who basically is going to assume command of this private army to secure his own power and wealth, you are going to be taking the funds, resources and jobs offered to you by governments and organizations to bankroll your own power?
I do approve such a concept.
It reminds one of my favorite mercenary corporations from fiction period.
Spoiler
As for this... well, you managed to outline the character concept fairly accurately, though I had to Google that name to understand the image. I've only played the first Metal Gear Solid, you see... imagine my surprise when I opened that spoiler totally ignorant of the fact that it was from a video game... 
Since they write the checks that keep you in lyrium
Yeah, that's why I'm reluctant to sign on with the Templars. xD An alliance sounds good, but membership? Not right now. I don't want this guy spending his newfound riches in Orzammar every weekend.
My dalish PC won't care much on what nobles think in this case. His major goal is to stop the war quickly and recruit the faction that can make the Inquisition stronger. Though he'd like to agree with the goals, motivations and actions of the supported faction if possible (I doubt he will on the actions, since both are acting crazy in the hinterlands).That's an excellent point and the perspective that my PC will approach this from. I mean, I can predict with some certainty what will happen based on my familiarity with the lore, but he will start off neutral and ignorant on most issues involving humans, especially the intricacies of their politics. It stands to reason that he'd ally with the strongest factions, whoever they may be... and since he's a warrior and not a mage, the idea of mage freedom isn't going to sound very appealing, especially if it's an unpopular idea among the human nobility.
I don't see why a dalish should side with mages as default. Their default would probably be to not be involved in the mage-templar war.
It seems a lot of people don't think that a some dalish might not really like human mages roaming free in the world. I doubt they forget about the Imperium (and while free mages don't necessary mean a new Imperium or even a mage-dominated city/state, the dalish might still fear this scenario).
I think it would depend entirely on the respective Dalish in question; Ariane disliked the Circle because of the role they played in the fall of the Dales, while Merrill thought the human mages should be protected from the templars. There's enough reason for a Dalish to be wary about the Circles and the templars so that the player can handle the Mage-Templar War in different ways, based on the type of elven Inquisitor he or she wants to play as.
Why do you torment me?
Follow my example and think outside the box. Make that vallaslin as light as can be and follow your heart.
As for this... well, you managed to outline the character concept fairly accurately, though I had to Google that name to understand the image. I've only played the first Metal Gear Solid, you see... imagine my surprise when I opened that spoiler totally ignorant of the fact that it was from a video game...
Was it the Swastika?
The Vallaslin will never be light enough. I mean this seriously, considering all my elves tend to be light-skinned.
My dalish PC won't care much on what nobles think in this case. His major goal is to stop the war quickly and recruit the faction that can make the Inquisition stronger. Though he'd like to agree with the goals, motivations and actions of the supported faction if possible (I doubt he will on the actions, since both are acting crazy in the hinterlands).
The best option for my dalish would be to form an armistice between them and recruit both, since it'll be the best outcome to boost the power of the Inquisition, but it's not going to happen.
I'm pretty sure that at this point it seems we have to choose Templars or mages... we can't recruit both. It's actually a shame that this will be an early decision we will have to make because I was hoping to give my PC some time to develop his opinions on the matter. From what I hear it will happen so early that he might just do what the pro-Circle Vivienne says and call it a day. That would probably also work...
To be honest, I almost wonder if we can choose to pick "neither," because that's the perspective I expect my Dalish will have on the matter.
Was it the Swastika?
Yes. Skimming the wiki, it does make mention of its use as a religious symbol. I was already familiar with that usage, but that's not the first thing that pops into the average person's mind when they see it...
I'm pretty sure that at this point it seems we have to choose Templars or mages... we can't recruit both. It's actually a shame that this will be an early decision we will have to make because I was hoping to give my PC some time to develop his opinions on the matter. From what I hear it will happen so early that he might just do what the pro-Circle Vivienne says and call it a day. That would probably also work...
An unfortunate decision in my opinion. A lot of people hated having to be one or the other in DA2 and most loved the peace option for the Geth and Quarians. There should be a similar choice in Inquisition.
To be honest, I almost wonder if we can choose to pick "neither," because that's the perspective I expect my Dalish will have on the matter.
You don't want help from either group? You sure? Either group seems useful in the war effort...
To be honest, I almost wonder if we can choose to pick "neither," because that's the perspective I expect my Dalish will have on the matter.
Perhaps if the Inquisitor decides not to get involved?
Perhaps if the Inquisitor decides not to get involved?
You think it might be optional, like the Avvar recruitment? I hadn't considered that...
You think it might be optional, like the Avvar recruitment? I hadn't considered that...
Considering how the developers talk about letting the player decide how the protagonist will allocate time and resources (like whether or not the main character wants to deal with the Red Templars in the Highlands), I think it's a possibility.
Considering how the developers talk about letting the player decide how the protagonist will allocate time and resources (like whether or not the main character wants to deal with the Red Templars in the Highlands), I think it's a possibility.
That's interesting. I don't think anyone in this thread has even considered that, at least not that I've noticed, but it's entirely possible. There could be a default storyline that takes place if we refuse to get involved... hm... I like that idea actually. It would provide some interesting roleplaying opportunities.
Yes. Skimming the wiki, it does make mention of its use as a religious symbol. I was already familiar with that usage, but that's not the first thing that pops into the average person's mind when they see it...
Well you need to think of it this way.
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