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#2851
Icy Magebane

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Well you need to think of it this way.

 

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Oh my... I didn't realize Metal Gear Solid had such detailed lore.  That video makes me think I should go back and play the games... clearly I've been missing out.  I never took it seriously because of the sneaking around in cardboard boxes, but that seems to have been a mistake.



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Mages. But only because I don't like the ''church''....



#2853
raging_monkey

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Mages. But only because I don't like the ''church''....

the chantry does good work demonizing it cause it treats us like animals doesnt help

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Oh my... I didn't realize Metal Gear Solid had such detailed lore.  That video makes me think I should go back and play the games... clearly I've been missing out.  I never took it seriously because of the sneaking around in cardboard boxes, but that seems to have been a mistake.

 

I would recommend MGS its an excellent if somewhat confusing franchise.

 

But beyond that you said you played MGS 1?

 

If you happen to any mention of Snake being the hero of the Outer Heaven incident? This was what he was fighting, he was fighting an assembly of mercenaries, soldiers, contractors and alike that were drawn to the legendary figure of Big Boss, and his immense financial backing, he took his mercenary army and took over a country after all.

 

Big Boss...That man truly was a legendary figure within the lore.

 

He was known as the greatest soldier of the 20th century for a reason i suppose. (Mostly because he killed the other contenders for the title)



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I would recommend MGS its an excellent if somewhat confusing franchise. But beyond that you said you played MGS 1? If you happen to any mention of Snake being the hero of the Outer Heaven incident? This was what he was fighting, he was fighting an assembly of mercenaries, soldiers, contractors and alike that were drawn to the legendary figure of Big Boss, and his immense financial backing, he took his mercenary army and took over a country after all. Big Boss...That man truly was a legendary figure within the lore. He was known as the greatest soldier of the 20th century for a reason i suppose. (Mostly because he killed the other contenders for the title)

how was it confusing? Kojima's jokes i get but you lost me bro

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how was it confusing? Kojima's jokes i get but you lost me bro

 

It had a bunch of plot inconsistencies for a long time.

 

It still has a few.



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It had a bunch of plot inconsistencies for a long time. It still has a few.

my only issue is the current set up of gz and its "other half"

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I think it would depend entirely on the respective Dalish in question; Ariane disliked the Circle because of the role they played in the fall of the Dales, while Merrill thought the human mages should be protected from the templars. There's enough reason for a Dalish to be wary about the Circles and the templars so that the player can handle the Mage-Templar War in different ways, based on the type of elven Inquisitor he or she wants to play as.

  
Yup, that's what I'm saying , though I think that the majority of dalish would prefer to not get involved in the war.

I'm pretty sure that at this point it seems we have to choose Templars or mages... we can't recruit both.  It's actually a shame that this will be an early decision we will have to make because I was hoping to give my PC some time to develop his opinions on the matter.  From what I hear it will happen so early that he might just do what the pro-Circle Vivienne says and call it a day.  That would probably also work...

I know a compromise won't happen. It's still in my opinion the best choice, expecially if with our involvment we just stop the war in the area and not the whole war.


And I don't know if this will be skippable or not. I do think that certain plots will have to be dealt with, and the mage-templar war might be one, expecially considering that it seems to happen early in the game, and it might be done because the Inquisition needs one of the two factions to boost their power. We do know that we're not very strong at the start, and mages and templars might be needed.

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You don't want help from either group?  You sure?  Either group seems useful in the war effort...

 

Perhaps if the Inquisitor decides not to get involved?

 

I was thinking more along the lines of "Both sides are causing trouble: so crush both rebellions." 


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#2860
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I was thinking more along the lines of "Both sides are causing trouble: so crush both rebellions." 

:o  Four options?  What do you think this is, a pen and paper rpg? :P



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:o  Four options?  What do you think this is, a pen and paper rpg? :P

that sounds fun

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I was thinking more along the lines of "Both sides are causing trouble: so crush both rebellions." 

 

Criminals should receive justice, not vindication.



#2863
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Criminals should receive justice, not vindication.

I won't argue with that...



#2864
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Criminals should receive justice, not vindication.


Sadly (or sometimes for the good of it) in dark ages criminals received vindication all the time and the real analogy between Thedas and our world can only be based on dark ages, feudal times etc... not modern.

If your heart can bear it, you can look up the "punishment" criminals faced on those times. I studied about medieval "justice" in University and you can name it with all abhorrent adjectives, but that was not Justice. Actually the book cover wrote justice with quotation mark.

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Sadly (or sometimes for the good of it) in dark ages criminals received vindication all the time [...]

 

I know, in fact it happens to our protagonists quite often.


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#2866
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Criminals should receive justice, not vindication.

And the sky shouldn't be ripping open. But we work with what we have.



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And the sky shouldn't be ripping open. But we work with what we have.

 

Interestingly enough, the Inquisitor may solve both problems: closing the breach in the sky and imparting justice from the throne.



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Criminals should receive justice, not vindication.

I can't tell if you're agreeing with him or trying to assert that one side shouldn't be crushed.



#2869
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I can't tell if you're agreeing with him or trying to assert that one side shouldn't be crushed.

 

Agreeing with him, emphatically.



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Something which confused me in the 30 minute gameplay Demo.

You get a mission to get a ring back from some Templars.

So you go fight Templars.

Fine.

However, you also fight mages who attack you for no reason.

And THEN fight Templars.

 

Are both sides just attacking the Inquisitor on sight?



#2871
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Agreeing with him, emphatically.

I'd agree that ending both rebellions would be ideal, and at least the leaders of both factions should probably lose their heads or be imprisoned for life or something. This will probably require crushing both armies. That said, we apparently aren't getting the option, possibly because Bioware figured that doing that would end in the Inquisitor not having the raw military power left to defeat the demons.



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Something which confused me in the 30 minute gameplay Demo.

You get a mission to get a ring back from some Templars.

So you go fight Templars.

Fine.

However, you also fight mages who attack you for no reason.

And THEN fight Templars.

 

Are both sides just attacking the Inquisitor on sight?

 

What demo are you talking about?



#2873
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Something which confused me in the 30 minute gameplay Demo.You get a mission to get a ring back from some Templars.So you go fight Templars.Fine.However, you also fight mages who attack you for no reason.And THEN fight Templars. Are both sides just attacking the Inquisitor on sight?

til you take aside i would assume so. But the demo left out stuff so i put little stock in it aside from gamplay

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What demo are you talking about?

 



#2875
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I'd agree that ending both rebellions would be ideal, and at least the leaders of both factions should probably lose their heads or be imprisoned for life or something. This will probably require crushing both armies. That said, we apparently aren't getting the option, possibly because Bioware figured that doing that would end in the Inquisitor not having the raw military power left to defeat the demons.

 

Well, my character would not be making their decision based on this knowledge. In her eyes, they can either choose to submit peacefully, or they can make peace with the Maker in person.

 

Thedas is being tested, to negotiate or make deals with sinners and fugitives would defeat the purpose of its salvation entirely.