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#3026
Willowhugger

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Like, "look in my eyes" strongly disapproves?

 

No. It's just more he loses a lot of approval and has a minor freakout.

After all, he remembers being starved to death in a dungeon and waking up as a ghost even if it's not true.

Imprisonment thus equals something equivalent to "sentenced to Hell."

As opposed to "sentenced to a confined space"

You can probably talk to him about it after the first one.



#3027
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What that "thing" (Cole) wants is not relevant to me.

 

That it can't make the distinction between a person justly placed in prison and a young boy that it's mimicking who was horribly tortured by being forgotten and left to suffer and die... only highlights the terrible danger of treating demons like people. 



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Well, that's a step in the right direction. How limited are we talking? Could a particularly clever mage light a fire in exactly the right place, several days in a row, and then make the lock unable to stay locked through repetition?

idk exactly how powerful rhys was but it took him a week to get a small kernall in case cole was going to kill him

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idk exactly how powerful rhys was but it took him a week to get a small kernall in case cole was going to kill him

What exactly did he do?



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What exactly did he do?

cole just sat outside. Rhys mostly sat in his cell waiting and swearing, it was pretty vague on how he summoned mana

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cole just sat outside. Rhys mostly sat in his cell waiting and swearing, it was pretty vague on how he summoned mana

I'm sure Rhys was feeling kinda trolled there.

 

Was it vague on what Rhys did with the mana he'd summoned? Do we know if he manipulated the mechanics of the lock, or damaged the chains or unscrewed them from the wall?



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I'm sure Rhys was feeling kinda trolled there. Was it vague on what Rhys did with the mana he'd summoned? Do we know if he manipulated the mechanics of the lock, or damaged the chains or unscrewed them from the wall?

nah too weak from lack of food and water so he didnt move much from what i read. He was let out a week after capture to take part in a asssembly.

#3033
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Wait a minute - Cole releases Rhys.  Rhys doesn't do it himself. 

 

"Cole looked relieved.  He began unlocking Rhy's manacles, and as Rhys slowly came to his senses he realized something was wrong."  - Asunder, David Gaider, pg383



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Wait a minute - Cole releases Rhys.  Rhys doesn't do it himself. 

 

"Cole looked relieved.  He began unlocking Rhy's manacles, and as Rhys slowly came to his senses he realized something was wrong."  - Asunder, David Gaider, pg383

It's starting to look like imprisoning mages is an option, then. Though if this was contingent on Rhys not being properly fed I think I'd rather just go the whole hog and kill him.



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Wait a minute - Cole releases Rhys.  Rhys doesn't do it himself.  "Cole looked relieved.  He began unlocking Rhy's manacles, and as Rhys slowly came to his senses he realized something was wrong."  - Asunder, David Gaider, pg383

thats later nox cole does do that. Im talking about in the early part after rhys tried to take him in. Templars release him for the assembly.

#3036
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@raging_monkey:  Sorry, not trying to confuse things.  I was actually just looking for the passage to try to help. 



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It's starting to look like imprisoning mages is an option, then. Though if this was contingent on Rhys not being properly fed I think I'd rather just go the whole hog and kill him.

white spire was having issues so it cant be taken at standard(idk about cole's situation). The mage prison aeonar is far worse the way lily(jowans lover) reacts. And im sure that priaoner are taken care of chantry and templaes arent that cruel

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@raging_monkey:  Sorry, not trying to confuse things.  I was actually just looking for the passage to try to help.

oh i know appreciate it :) and please just monkey raging is a family name lol :)

#3039
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"Would Cole come for him?  There he was, someone who could see him, now bound and helpless. The templars would assume his death the act of mages trying to keep from being named.  Would Cole even know the manacles prevented Rhys from casting proper spells?   He might be able to summon a spirit, perhaps he might even be able to open the door.  But what then?  The only way was past the guarded hall filled with ancient traps that could skewer him instantly."  Asunder, David Gaider pg. 86

 

He later has a conversation with a Tranquil who leads him to the assembly.



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"Would Cole come for him?  There he was, someone who could see him, now bound and helpless. The templars would assume his death the act of mages trying to keep from being named.  Would Cole even know the manacles prevented Rhys from casting proper spells?   He might be able to summon a spirit, perhaps he might even be able to open the door.  But what then?  The only way was past the guarded hall filled with ancient traps that could skewer him instantly."  Asunder, David Gaider pg. 86 He later has a conversation with a Tranquil who leads him to the assembly.

just when i found my copy lol. So its still a viable option cause most magi lack the knowledge to summon spirits i believe. May rhys could cause hes a mediium

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A competent Inquisitor would think that mages are too vulnerable to demons and that templar order is a more valuable ally in this conflict. I sympatize with equitarians, but I'm going to need that spell resistance.



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A competent Inquisitor would think that mages are too vulnerable to demons and that templar order is a more valuable ally in this conflict. I sympatize with equitarians, but I'm going to need that spell resistance.

competance is player perspective my friend in this sseries both have benifits lol

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A competent Inquisitor would think that mages are too vulnerable to demons and that templar order is a more valuable ally in this conflict. I sympatize with equitarians, but I'm going to need that spell resistance.

 

It's an issue of ideology, not competency. You can make a number of valid arguments for siding with either the mages or the templars, since both can prove competent, but considering the Mage-Templar War is being fought between templars who want mages back in the Chantry controlled Circles and mages who don't want to be restrained to Chantry control anymore, it comes down to ideology. It's an issue of which side the Inquisitor will agree with, and want to see victorious.



#3044
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I hope dwarf inquisitor who doesn't care one way or the other because hey none of their family is mages or templars can be an option. That sounds like a fun run.



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A competent Inquisitor would think that mages are too vulnerable to demons and that templar order is a more valuable ally in this conflict. I sympatize with equitarians, but I'm going to need that spell resistance.

 

A competent Inquisitor would think that Templars are too tempted by red lyrium and that mages are more valuable allies in this conflict. I sympathize with people like Evangeline, but I'm going to need magic nukes and healers (thank the Maker for limiting our potions <_< ).

 

For spell resistance you always have Dwarves. All hail Britannia the Superior Anti Magic Race!



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It's an issue of ideology, not competency. You can make a number of valid arguments for siding with either the mages or the templars, since both can prove competent, but considering the Mage-Templar War is being fought between templars who want mages back in the Chantry controlled Circles and mages who don't want to be restrained to Chantry control anymore, it comes down to ideology. It's an issue of which side the Inquisitor will agree with, and want to see victorious.


Not necessarily. If I roleplay a character completely neutral to the mage-templar war, he/she might pick a side based on what side he/she thinks is more useful to the Inquisition's cause, and not because he/she Agrees with either. Both yours and this are valid approachs.

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A competent Inquisitor would think that Templars are too tempted by red lyrium and that mages are more valuable allies in this conflict. I sympathize with people like Evangeline, but I'm going to need magic nukes and healers (thank the Maker for limiting our potions <_< ).
 
For spell resistance you always have Dwarves. All hail Britannia the Superior Anti Magic Race!

The templars fighting the mages in the hinterlands aren't, as far as we know, red templars. They seem to be different factions.

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Not necessarily. If I roleplay a character completely neutral to the mage-templar war, he/she might pick a side based on what side he/she thinks is more useful to the Inquisition's cause, and not because he/she Agrees with either. Both yours and this are valid approachs.

 

Technically, Gorguz's argument was that a competent Inquisitor would side with the templars, not that an Inquisitor would side with either group based on their competency.


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#3049
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War isnt about idealogy, vengence, race... its about survival. And the breach is a war so most will pick based on chance of their inq's survival rate
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#3050
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War isnt about idealogy, vengence, race... its about survival. And the breach is a war so most will pick based on chance of their inq's survival rate

 

They had a good line in Babylon Five.

"To peace?"
"No, to victory."

 

Which is the cold hard fact of any soldier.