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[The Elder King]

I highly doubt it. Cullen is a military adviser. The suggestion that we would act as some sort of Knight-Commander or Knight-Vigilant over the mages would detract from what he's supposed to be doing as one of our primary advisers. It would also make the entire point in choosing a side pointless if we're simply reinforcing the status quo by having mages watched over and governed by templars no matter what choice we make.

He's not just the military advisor. He's the general of our army. The mages that will be sent to Skyhold will join our forces. I didn't even suggest he should be in charge of all the free mages (which will be in Redcliffe). My point was that in battle he's the one leading all the army, mages included.
The role of general is different from the role a KC had in the Circle.

[Medhia_Nox]

@The Hierophant: I was incorrect, and amended my last post with an edit.

 

He does prepare to defend himself against Adrian's threat which he provoked.

 

I will assert that bringing a gun to a fist fight totally negates your moral high ground.

[The Hierophant]

@The Hierophant: I was incorrect, and amended my last post with an edit.
 
He does prepare to defend himself against Adrian's threat which he provoked.
 
I will assert that bringing a gun to a fist fight totally negates your moral high ground.

True.

[Xilizhra]

@The Hierophant: I was incorrect, and amended my last post with an edit.

 

He does prepare to defend himself against Adrian's threat which he provoked.

 

I will assert that bringing a gun to a fist fight totally negates your moral high ground.

Er, Adrian's a rather short woman without any notable physical strength; the fight would be blatantly one-sided either way, just in a different direction.

[Iakus]

They halt their attempt to attack the mages (who they think are "cursed" with magic) because Evangeline drew her sword and stopped them. The mob is the reason why Evangeline decides they won't sleep in the inn.

Yes, they backed down before Evangeline.  And then Adrien escalated.  And then Evangeline had to disrupt her magic before she burned the inn down or any of the patrons.

[Xilizhra]

Yes, they backed down before Evangeline.  And then Adrien escalated.  And then Evangeline had to disrupt her magic before she burned the inn down or any of the patrons.

No, that's the wrong order. They didn't back down before Evangeline until Adrian's magic had already been disrupted.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

@The Hierophant: I was incorrect, and amended my last post with an edit.

 

He does prepare to defend himself against Adrian's threat which he provoked.

 

I will assert that bringing a gun to a fist fight totally negates your moral high ground.

My main problem wasn't that Adrian had him totally outclassed. That's just the way things were. She was a mage, he wasn't. My main problem was that she decided to threaten him with fire (which is already bad enough considering how many ways a mage can nonlethally stop an untrained muggle bigot) in a building that I'm assuming was wood with thatch. While drunk.

[Medhia_Nox]

By this time - Evangeline has shut down Adrian, and stands to defend the mages against the angered civilians... who get upset, but then see reason after Evangeline talks them down.

 

Interesting though - that the "reason" behind their anger seems irrelevant to some people.

 

Mages are killed in Kirkwall - and mage supporters on the BSN want wholesale slaughter.  A mage tries to kill the religious figurehead of a religion... and a few townsfolk are totally unreasonable for being angry.

[Xilizhra]

By this time - Evangeline has shut down Adrian, and stands to defend the mages against the angered civilians... who get upset, but then see reason after Evangeline talks them down.

 

Interesting though - that the "reason" behind their anger seems irrelevant to some people.

 

Mages are killed in Kirkwall - and mage supporters on the BSN want wholesale slaughter.  A mage tries to kill the religious figurehead of a religion... and a few townsfolk are totally unreasonable for being angry.

Er, no? We only want to defeat the people trying to kill or imprison us all.

[LobselVith8]

Fiona maneuvered the Conclave into trying to vote for independance which was expressley not its purpose.  Her power-play, and belligerent attitude only further inflamed an already tense situation, which led to the deaths of a number of First Enchanters and senior enchanters.

 

Grand Enchanter Fiona wanted a democratic vote for Circle autonomy from the Chantry of Andraste because she disagreed with the status quo, and she took the opportunity to ask her fellow leaders to participate in a vote because the Chantry was preventing them from doing so before. I'm also not going to place blame on her for the actions of the Lord Seeker who kept forgetting that he wasn't a templar. Had Lambert remembered what he was actually supposed to be doing, a vote could have taken place, and no one would have died. I'm not going to vilify Fiona because she believed that all the Circles should be free through a democratic vote. This is getting absurdly ridiculous now.

 

There's a time and place for every battle.  Fiona would rather die in a hopeless cause and take everyone around her down with her than wait for the right moment to act.

 

Almost a thousand years have passed since the Circles were created; I'd say that some of us think that moment is now.

[Xilizhra]

My main problem wasn't that Adrian had him totally outclassed. That's just the way things were. She was a mage, he wasn't. My main problem was that she decided to threaten him with fire (which is already bad enough considering how many ways a mage can nonlethally stop an untrained muggle bigot) in a building that I'm assuming was wood with thatch. While drunk.

It was blue fire. That almost always translates to Spirit or Arcane spells, not Elemental.

[Medhia_Nox]

I'll remember you saying that the next time you support terrorist bombings - the destruction of the Chantry - or the total annihilation of the Templars. 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

It was blue fire. That almost always translates to Spirit or Arcane spells, not Elemental.

Or it could just be really really hot fire. (Also I can't think which Spirit or Arcane spells do that.)

[The Hierophant]

On another note.

If Rhys is at the peace talks and is killed in the disaster, then what of Evangeline's fate? If she survives will the spirit that possesses her be corrupted from grief or something?

[Xilizhra]

Or really really hot fire.

Theoretically possible, but I don't think she uses that again even during greater provocations, nor has it ever been seen elsewhere in the series, so I don't think it was a literal fire spell.

[Medhia_Nox]

Also of note - if she beats him with fire, it is somehow justifiable.. she's a mage.

 

If he had beat her with his fists... these boards would be in an absolute rage, not only about violence against mages, but against women. 

[LobselVith8]

Why do you say that? The mages would be used primarily as soldiers and military support, wouldn't they? So they're within his purview.

 

I think we're addressing two different things here. I said that I don't see why he would be tasked with watching over the mages; taking the lead as a type of general in the field of battle is a different situation entirely.

[Xilizhra]

Also of note - if she beats him with fire, it is somehow justifiable.. she's a mage.

 

If he had beat her with his fists... these boards would be in an absolute rage, not only about violence against mages, but against women. 

What are you on about? The boards are in a perpetual state of rage against both mages and Dalish.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Theoretically possible, but I don't think she uses that again even during greater provocations, nor has it ever been seen elsewhere in the series, so I don't think it was a literal fire spell.

I don't think I can remember that ever happening in the context of spirit magic, either. (But then I haven't seen much of the media, so I could be wrong.)

[The Elder King]

I think we're addressing two different things here. I said that I don't see why he would be tasked with watching over the mages; taking the lead as a type of general in the field of battle is a different situation entirely.

That's what I meant. I didn't mean he should act as a KC with the mages.

[Medhia_Nox]

@The Hierophant:  How much you want to bet that the spirit protects Rhys and Evangeline... Wynne's final gift to the DA series.

 

It would be a perfect ending to everything Wynne has ever wanted.  Protect her son... and bring sensible, reasonable order to the mage/templar conflict.

 

Hmm... Bioware, I hope this is one of your options.

[The Hierophant]

What are you on about? The boards are in a perpetual state of rage against both mages and Dalish.

IT'S BECAUSE OF YOU!

[The Elder King]

@The Hierophant:  How much you want to bet that the spirit protects Rhys and Evangeline... Wynne's final gift to the DA series.
 
It would be a perfect ending to everything Wynne has ever wanted.  Protect her son... and bring sensible, reasonable order to the mage/templar conflict.
 
Hmm... Bioware, I hope this is one of your options.

I think Rhys dies and that lead Cole to stop the threat of the Breach and join the Inquisition.

[Xilizhra]

I don't think I can remember that ever happening in the context of spirit magic, either. (But then I haven't seen much of the media, so I could be wrong.)

The spirit blasts fired from a staff can leave traces like blue fire in DA2, and some of the hand nimbuses that appear when casting spirit/arcane spells can look like blue fire.

[LobselVith8]

Your bias is clouding your viewpoint.

 

You're not going to be persuade me if your starting point is that I'm biased. Pointing out that having templars watching over the mages no matter what choice we make addresses that the choice doesn't end up mattering if both choices lead to the same outcome.

 

Think less 'Templar' and more 'Commanding Officer'.  Unless you don't think the Mages will be considered part of the Inquisition's military forces?

 

So Cullen wouldn't be watching over the mages as a type of Knight-Vigilant, but simply acting as a general in the field of battle, and not watching over them or governing them if the Inquisitor sided with the mages who are fighting to maintain their autonomy from the Chantry?