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[Icy Magebane]

Not necessarily. That said, corrupting Faith turns it into Pride, not despair.

That makes sense then... didn't they say that spirits of Hope are the most powerful?  And if Despair is more powerful that Pride...

[Hellion Rex]

wait, since when are spirits corrupted into demons.....

Justice to Vengeance....

[Hellion Rex]

That makes sense then... didn't they say that spirits of Hope are the most powerful?  And if Despair is more powerful that Pride...

Hope is supposedly the top of the power hierarchy, at the moment. And it'd make sense for Despair to be the corruption of Hope, so it stands to reason that despair would be more powerful than a pride demon.

[Steelcan]

Justice to Vengeance....

I knew that happened, I just never knew there was lore behind how it happened

[Icy Magebane]

Hope is supposedly the top of the power hierarchy, at the moment. And it'd make sense for Despair to be the corruption of Hope, so it stands to reason that despair would be more powerful than a pride demon.

So is Despair confirmed to be a demon type in DA:I?  I know that Terror is one...

 

Um... and since I don't like being off topic... uh... well, the power levels of the various demons we face might influence our decisions on Inquisitors who don't have a specific agenda in mind.  Or perhaps we'll encounter a few of them along the mage vs. Templar plotline... I expect there to be at least a few abominations mixed into that plot, so there may be a few of the new ones in addition to the fairly common rage demons.

[Steelcan]

So is Despair confirmed to be a demon type in DA:I?  I know that Terror is one...

the opposite of terror being what?  Serenity?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I knew that happened, I just never knew there was lore behind how it happened

Well, we knew that it was Anders' anger that corrupted Justice. We don't know precisely how the psychology worked, though; that was just me offering a guess that could very well be wrong.

[AresKeith]

So is Despair confirmed to be a demon type in DA:I? I know that Terror is one...

I kinda figured Cole was originally a despair demon, who's turning into a Spirit

[raging_monkey]

the opposite of terror being what?  Serenity?

probably bravery or valor or some other spectrum of those emotions

[Icy Magebane]

the opposite of terror being what?  Serenity?

Confidence maybe?  Oh wait... Valor.  That must be it.

[Hellion Rex]

So is Despair confirmed to be a demon type in DA:I?  I know that Terror is one...

In one of Cameron Lee's interviews, he mentions it.

[The Hierophant]

the opposite of terror being what?  Serenity?

Serenity now... Insanity later.

[Icy Magebane]

I kinda figured Cole was originally a despair demon, who's turning into a Spirit

He does seem to be far more powerful than any Fade being we've seen thus far... what with his ability to turn invisible, (subconsciously?) make people forget they saw him, etc... he doesn't have the raw magical power of a Pride Demon, though.  Maybe he's a lesser Despair Demon?  It's possible...

 

Did you ever hear that theory that Cole was originally a wisp?  If so, I take it you weren't convinced?

[Steelcan]

Valor is the opposite of cowardice

 

you don't have to be scared to be a coward

[Icy Magebane]

Valor is the opposite of cowardice

 

you don't have to be scared to be a coward

Comfort?  Terror demons spread fear, Comfort spirits help you relax?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

He does seem to be far more powerful than any Fade being we've seen thus far... what with his ability to turn invisible, (subconsciously?) make people forget they saw him, etc... he doesn't have the raw magical power of a Pride Demon, though.  Maybe he's a lesser Despair Demon?  It's possible...

 

Did you ever hear that theory that Cole was originally a wisp?  If so, I take it you weren't convinced?

It might be that all spirits were originally wisps, and that they found a concept they liked and gained intelligence and power by building an identity around it. (I'm seguing back into unsubstantiated guesswork, if you hadn't noticed, so be careful with this.)

[raging_monkey]

He does seem to be far more powerful than any Fade being we've seen thus far... what with his ability to turn invisible, (subconsciously?) make people forget they saw him, etc... he doesn't have the raw magical power of a Pride Demon, though.  Maybe he's a lesser Despair Demon?  It's possible... Did you ever hear that theory that Cole was originally a wisp?  If so, I take it you weren't convinced?

a wisp?,a spirit of generally benign power? Elaborate

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Valor is the opposite of cowardice

 

you don't have to be scared to be a coward

I think Valor and Terror are probably the best bet. Valor represents an ability to master fear, Terror represents the complete lack of this. But both represent fear.

[AresKeith]

He does seem to be far more powerful than any Fade being we've seen thus far... what with his ability to turn invisible, (subconsciously?) make people forget they saw him, etc... he doesn't have the raw magical power of a Pride Demon, though. Maybe he's a lesser Despair Demon? It's possible...

Did you ever hear that theory that Cole was originally a wisp? If so, I take it you weren't convinced?

I heard about it, I was meh on it

In the beginning of Asunder he felt like a Despair demon to me

[Br3admax]

I think Valor and Terror are probably the best bet. Valor represents an ability to master fear, Terror represents the complete lack of this. But both represent fear.

The spirit of Valor we met doesn't bring up fear in the slightest. Sure he says "cowardly" but most of his dialogue is about glorious combat, not fear. 

[Icy Magebane]

Valor taken to it's extreme would be barbarism or savagery. Those ideas do tend to invoke fear or terror on their victims.

Wait, I thought we were doing opposites, not extremes...?  Despair certainly isn't an extreme version Hope, nor is Pride an extreme version of Faith (I'm guessing Zeal would be more appropriate than Pride).

 

Okay, if we're talking about extremes, perhaps Caution leads to Terror, and... Hope leads to...what?

[Iakus]

Grand Enchanter Fiona wanted a democratic vote for Circle autonomy from the Chantry of Andraste because she disagreed with the status quo, and she took the opportunity to ask her fellow leaders to participate in a vote because the Chantry was preventing them from doing so before. I'm also not going to place blame on her for the actions of the Lord Seeker who kept forgetting that he wasn't a templar. Had Lambert remembered what he was actually supposed to be doing, a vote could have taken place, and no one would have died. I'm not going to vilify Fiona because she believed that all the Circles should be free through a democratic vote. This is getting absurdly ridiculous now.

 

Lambert is certainly not innocent in this.  But Fiona bears a share of the blame as well.  It's fine to not agree with the status quo, but this was neither the time nor the place for demanding her vote.  The conclave was called specifically to deal with Pharamond's discovery:  it was the only reason it was called.  Fiona was foolish (at best) for trying to press her case there

 

Almost a thousand years have passed since the Circles were created; I'd say that some of us think that moment is now.

 

Yeah, funny thing, the the mages started out quite happy with the Circle.  The trick is to find out where things all went wrong.

[Icy Magebane]

Good point. But is vengeance the opposite of justice? Sometimes there's overlap. Cousland vs Rendon Howe comes to mind. Zeal and pride... Spirits are confusing.

Alright, working from the premise that demons are "corrupted" versions of spirits, then it's reasonable to assume that the corruption takes the form of an extreme dedication on the part of the spirit, or a loss of dedication on the part of a demon (if such a thing is possible).  The demonic hierarchy calls this into question, as we have been attempting to draw direct parallels between the most powerful spirits and the most powerful demons... but perhaps this isn't necessarily the case?

 

They've said that there are at least some undiscovered types of spirits and demons, so perhaps we are simply unfamiliar with the various spirits that would become demons if the original premise is true.  The problem is that Anders seemed to think that spirits embody Virtues and demons embodied Vices... he even mentioned a few that we hadn't heard of before, although Fortitude is the only one that comes to mind... hm.  I'm not sure what to make of all that tbh.

 

Hopefully the mage allies in DA:I will be able to shed some light on this.  Solas is an apostate, but I don't think he will abandon us if we side with the Templars in the war... so we may be able to get his thoughts on these subjects throughout the game, regardless of who we side with.