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[Iakus]

Hope is supposedly the top of the power hierarchy, at the moment. And it'd make sense for Despair to be the corruption of Hope, so it stands to reason that despair would be more powerful than a pride demon.

Depair is the opposite of Hope.  I don't think that's a corruption of it.  Corruption would indicate there's still a piece remaining of the original form.

 

Vengeance is a corruption of Justice in that both seek retribution for wrongdoing.  But Vengeance is an abuse of it:  disproportionate retaliation rather than a balancing of scales. 

 

So I can see Pride as being a corruption of hope:  Hope is confidence in the face of adversity.  A belief that things will work out.  Pride is the overweening belief in self: Arrogance, hubris, absolute belief that absolutely nothing can go wrong. 

[Medhia_Nox]

If we're going "abuse" of a thing.... I could see "Righteousness" being an abuse of Hope.  

 

Saving people from themselves perhaps.  

 

Despair being corrupted then would be... umm... Stoicism? 

[LobselVith8]

Lambert is certainly not innocent in this.  But Fiona bears a share of the blame as well.  It's fine to not agree with the status quo, but this was neither the time nor the place for demanding her vote.  The conclave was called specifically to deal with Pharamond's discovery:  it was the only reason it was called.  Fiona was foolish (at best) for trying to press her case there

 

I don't see it as foolish. The Chantry was restricting the rights of the mages, and Fiona - as Grand Enchanter - chose to use the opportunity to call attention to a matter that she thought was warranted: the independence of the Circles from an institution she saw as damaging to the mages. It's the reason she returned to the Circles in the first place, as she admits: “I came to the Circle from the Grey Wardens because I saw something had to be done. In the Wardens, we learn to watch for our moment and seize it - and that moment is now.”

 

Yeah, funny thing, the the mages started out quite happy with the Circle.  The trick is to find out where things all went wrong.

 

Yes, the Chantry account does read that, but I don't think it's too difficult to imagine what the problem is when the Chantry and their templars have power over the mages.

[Hellion Rex]

If we're going "abuse" of a thing.... I could see "Righteousness" being an abuse of Hope.  

 

Saving people from themselves perhaps.  

 

Despair being corrupted then would be... umm... Stoicism? 

While I think spirits can be corrupted into demons easily, I think it is much, much harder for the reverse to occur.

[Milan92]

While I think spirits can be corrupted into demons easily, I think it is much, much harder for the reverse to occur.

 

Oh dear, I'm suddenly get The Last Airbender vibes.

 

What if, one of the inquisitor's fade powers is to ability to turn demons into spirits. And that it will be one of the endings.

 

Turning the Elder One into a spirit and it will depend on how much power the inquisitor has wether they succeed or not.

 

Like how Aang took away Ozai's bending, but almost failed at first.

[Icy Magebane]

Oh dear, I'm suddenly get The Last Airbender vibes.

 

What if, one of the inquisitor's fade powers is to ability to turn demons into spirits. And that it will be one of the endings.

 

Turning the Elder One into a spirit and it will depend on how much power the inquisitor has wether they succeed or not.

 

Like how Aang took away Ozai's bending, but almost failed at first.

Would that result in him becoming the Mature One?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Oh dear, I'm suddenly get The Last Airbender vibes.

 

What if, one of the inquisitor's fade powers is to ability to turn demons into spirits. And that it will be one of the endings.

 

Turning the Elder One into a spirit and it will depend on how much power the inquisitor has wether they succeed or not.

 

Like how Aang took away Ozai's bending, but almost failed at first.

Turning the Elder One into a spirit may or may not make much difference. The Trickster Whim is classified as a spirit, and acts exactly like a demon.

[The Elder King]

I don't see it as foolish. The Chantry was restricting the rights of the mages, and Fiona - as Grand Enchanter - chose to use the opportunity to call attention to a matter that she thought was warranted: the independence of the Circles from an institution she saw as damaging to the mages. It's the reason she returned to the Circles in the first place, as she admits: “I came to the Circle from the Grey Wardens because I saw something had to be done. In the Wardens, we learn to watch for our moment and seize it - and that moment is now.”
 

 
Yes, the Chantry account does read that, but I don't think it's too difficult to imagine what the problem is when the Chantry and their templars have power over the mages.

Well, without the Divine helping the mages, the moment to seize will have end in their death, and possibly the end of their goals, as well as further restrictions on the mages.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Well, without the Divine helping the mages, the moment to seize will have end in their death, and possibly the end of their goals, as well as further restrictions on the mages.

Unless the Inquisitor takes their side, then they pretty much win by default.

[Lulupab]

According to conversation between Cassandra and Varric in DA2, the Chantry has fully fallen apart and there have been many deaths. I think the Divine's authority is really diminished at this point. No army, no unity between chantries around Thedas etc... seems pretty bad to me.

[Hellion Rex]

According to conversation between Cassandra and Varric in DA2, the Chantry has fully fallen apart and there have been many deaths. I think the Divine's authority is really diminished at this point. No army, no unity between chantries around Thedas etc... seems pretty bad to me.

Which is probably why she's pulling out the Inquisition as her final gambit. She does have an army, as our Inquisition army is comprised of former templars and Seekers as our soldiers that were still loyal to the Divine.

[Lulupab]

Which is probably why she's pulling out the Inquisition as her final gambit. She does have an army, as our Inquisition army is comprised of former templars and Seekers as our soldiers that were still loyal to the Divine.

tbh that's the most boring part about DA:I. Inquisition shouldn't have to do anything with Chantry, as the original one didn't and they simply agreed to merge with Chantry. It would have made more sense for them to rise again as independent force in opposed to an old lady pulling the strings.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Which is probably why she's pulling out the Inquisition as her final gambit. She does have an army, as our Inquisition army is comprised of former templars and Seekers as our soldiers that were still loyal to the Divine.

And now apparently they're more loyal to us, if our title "Herald Of Andraste" is anything to go by.

[Medhia_Nox]

My real curiosity is - does Bioware have the cojones to make canon decisions?

 

Cause they're going to have to for DA:4.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

My real curiosity is - does Bioware have the cojones to make canon decisions?

 

Cause they're going to have to for DA:4.

I think it was Alan that warned they might decide they have to? Though he did assure us that we'd know well in advance.

[The Elder King]

Unless the Inquisitor takes their side, then they pretty much win by default.

Yeah, but I was talking about what happened in Asunder. Withorj Justinia the mage leaders would be dead.  

tbh that's the most boring part about DA:I. Inquisition shouldn't have to do anything with Chantry, as the original one didn't and they simply agreed to merge with Chantry. It would have made more sense for them to rise again as independent force in opposed to an old lady pulling the strings.

It's probably related to the fact that there might be some Chantry law that regulates the possible formation of a new Inquisition. A last resort, since the organization would be indipendant.

[The Elder King]

My real curiosity is - does Bioware have the cojones to make canon decisions?
 
Cause they're going to have to for DA:4.

Depends. If we truly end the mage-templar war, I think they will.

[Icy Magebane]

I think it was Alan that warned they might decide they have to? Though he did assure us that we'd know well in advance.

Hm... that sounds like it could be annoying if we're on the wrong side of canon.  Knowing ahead of time would soften the blow, however.  Maybe... it might just make seeing our choices play out seem irrelevant.  Who knows.

[The Elder King]

Hm... that sounds like it could be annoying if we're on the wrong side of canon.  Knowing ahead of time would soften the blow, however.  Maybe... it might just make seeing our choices play out seem irrelevant.  Who knows.

I honestly don't care. Regardless, for the mage-templar war I can't pick the choice I want anyway.

[Icy Magebane]

I honestly don't care. Regardless, for the mage-templar war I can't pick the choice I want anyway.

What if it applies to other choices, like who rules Orlais, or which characters live and die?  Switching from save imports to hard canon sounds like it would be a fairly jarring experience... well, for me at least.  If we'd always had a strict canon that the games followed, I don't think I would cared either...

[The Baconer]

What if it applies to other choices, like who rules Orlais, or which characters live and die?  Switching from save imports to hard canon sounds like it would be a fairly jarring experience...

 

I agree. They're also going to implement the brand new Keep, to switch to hard cannon afterward would be a bit of a waste.

[Cainhurst Crow]

According to conversation between Cassandra and Varric in DA2, the Chantry has fully fallen apart and there have been many deaths. I think the Divine's authority is really diminished at this point. No army, no unity between chantries around Thedas etc... seems pretty bad to me.

 

I think this is assuming they'll keep the state of the world the same going into DAI. Bioware kinda has a history of not doing that, for better or worse.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Icy Magebane:  If they don't - how would they ever resolve anything in the storyline?

If they can't make a canon - your decisions are still irrelevant because:

1) The mages can never be free - cause that would be canon

2) The Templars can never crush the mages - cause that would be canon.

3) The elves could never gain independence - cause that would be canon

4) Orlais could never crush Briala's rebellion - cause that would be canon

 

So being a mage fighting for mage freedom would be totally pointless.

[The Elder King]

What if it applies to other choices, like who rules Orlais, or which characters live and die?  Switching from save imports to hard canon sounds like it would be a fairly jarring experience... well, for me at least.  If we'd always had a strict canon that the games followed, I don't think I would cared either...

The same. I don't really care in general, I mentioned the mage-templar choice since it's relevant with the thread.
Granted, I understand why many will be disappointed.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

@Icy Magebane:  If they don't - how would they ever resolve anything in the storyline?

If they can't make a canon - your decisions are still irrelevant because:

1) The mages can never be free - cause that would be canon

2) The Templars can never crush the mages - cause that would be canon.

3) The elves could never gain independence - cause that would be canon

4) Orlais could never crush Briala's rebellion - cause that would be canon

 

So being a mage fighting for mage freedom would be totally pointless.

You have completely lost me.