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[The Elder King]

I agree. They're also going to implement the brand new Keep, to switch to hard cannon afterward would be a bit of a waste.

I agree on this.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Riversdalewhiteflash:  You have several completely opposite world states in the future.

 

Mage or Templar - Orlais or Elves - etc. etc.

 

Icy was suggesting he would be upset because if, say, he chose mages - but Bioware chose Templars - he would feel like his choices were negated.

 

I was simply suggesting that not allowing ANY choice to be made in fear of "canon"... means all such choices are irrelevant and discussing mages vs. templars or elves vs. humans is negated completely.

 

If they don't decide on canon - none of these world states will ever change. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

You have completely lost me.

Because the inquisistor can be anybody, they are nobody. They have no defining traits or stances, no personality, no physical form.

 

Its all in the aether, never able to have impact.

 

Which I don't mind of course, I'm more a journey then the destination kinda guy. But I can see the logic behind it.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

@Riversdalewhiteflash:  You have several completely opposite world states in the future.

 

Mage or Templar - Orlais or Elves - etc. etc.

 

Icy was suggesting he would be upset because if, say, he chose mages - but Bioware chose Templars - he would feel like his choices were negated.

 

I was simply suggesting that not allowing ANY choice to be made in fear of "canon"... means all such choices are irrelevant and discussing mages vs. templars or elves vs. humans is negated completely.

 

If they don't decide on canon - none of these world states will ever change. 

I guess I can see where you're coming from, if by this you mean that to continue allowing us to make world-changing decisions will make the nebulous plot where there can be any number of different versions of the backstory to Inquisition completely unmanageable by the time of Dragon Age V if not sooner. 

 

 

Because the inquisistor can be anybody, they are nobody. They have no defining traits or stances, no personality, no physical form.

 

Its all in the aether, never able to have impact.

 

Which I don't mind of course, I'm more a journey then the destination kinda guy. But I can see the logic behind it.

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[Medhia_Nox]

@Riversdalewhiteflash:  Exactly.  How do you tell a tale of Qunari invading in DA:4?

What's the situation of the mages?  The Templars?  After the Inquisition did they just run out and start fighting each other again (not totally impossible btw.)

 

What's the situation with Briala?  Did Orlais crush her?  Is she still just sitting in the webway - errr Eluvians?

 

These things which are important to people... must have a final answer.  I would hope gamers are mature enough to accept Bioware's choices on the final outcome of these events - though I know better. 

 

But I would rather choices be made... than have DA:4 and on... because so radically muddy with choices never made.

[Icy Magebane]

@Icy Magebane:  If they don't - how would they ever resolve anything in the storyline?

If they can't make a canon - your decisions are still irrelevant because:

1) The mages can never be free - cause that would be canon

2) The Templars can never crush the mages - cause that would be canon.

3) The elves could never gain independence - cause that would be canon

4) Orlais could never crush Briala's rebellion - cause that would be canon

 

So being a mage fighting for mage freedom would be totally pointless.

I think the answer is limited control over the flow of events between games, similar to what we saw in DA2.  In that game, we had a degree of freedom to determine what course the plot would take, but it was mainly limited to the events of that game.  That system probably could have been expanded upon, but it was a pretty good effort nonetheless.  I think that the same style might be applicable to DA:I so long as the devs are careful in how much power they give the Inquisition.

 

Think of it like this...  We're only going to be present in the Free Marches, Orlais, and Ferelden... possibly some other areas offscreen like advisor missions and multiplayer.  If we side with the mages or Templars in Ferelden and Orlais, that has no real bearing on Rivain, Nevarra, or Antiva.  Heck, if the next game is set in Tevinter, they could reasonably subvert our choices in DA:I by having us fully focused on what's going on in that nation for a period of 10-15 years.  It might also work if the game is set 10 years into the future and then focuses on a 5 year period, but only in Tevinter... that would be more than enough time to have things happening in the bulk of Thedas without directly contradicting what we did in Inquisition.  A canon could be established in the background without immediately invalidating our choices without a game in between to act as a buffer zone.  I'd find that to be more than fair as a compromise.

[Medhia_Nox]

An answer to this... is to take it out of Thedas.

 

Make us a prisoner in newly aquired Qunari lands.  Have us tell a story of how we assist bringing the Qunari down from the inside perhaps.

 

Or...

 

Tevinter - untouched by the rest of the fools in Thedas.

 

Or...

Dwarves.  Never, ever, going to happen - shallow people hate dwarves and would rage. 

 

Future stories would have to be completely isolated from the lands you have played in - unless choices are made canon at some point.  Otherwise... the world is static.

[Icy Magebane]

The same. I don't really care in general, I mentioned the mage-templar choice since it's relevant with the thread.
Granted, I understand why many will be disappointed.

Interesting... tell me, are you a fan of save imports at all?  Were you in the past but eventually became disillusioned?  I've heard people say that they want imports gone for a number of reasons, but those people tended to not want them used in the first place.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

@Riversdalewhiteflash:  Exactly.  How do you tell a tale of Qunari invading in DA:4?

What's the situation of the mages?  The Templars?  After the Inquisition did they just run out and start fighting each other again (not totally impossible btw.)

 

What's the situation with Briala?  Did Orlais crush her?  Is she still just sitting in the webway - errr Eluvians?

 

These things which are important to people... must have a final answer.  I would hope gamers are mature enough to accept Bioware's choices on the final outcome of these events - though I know better. 

 

But I would rather choices be made... than have DA:4 and on... because so radically muddy with choices never made.

I for one revel in telling a story other than the canon. As for the rest of it, you're right, but I just hope Bioware finds some way to make Keep work during Inquisition, and then maybe makes a DA4 in which the imports continue to work. Past that point it's almost certainly going to be impossible for them.

[The Elder King]

Interesting... tell me, are you a fan of save imports at all? Were you in the past but eventually became disillusioned? I've heard people say that they want imports gone for a number of reasons, but those people tended to not want them used in the first place.

I am a fan. I have multiple playthroughs with different decisions that intend to import and play.
I'm just fine either way. It's not something that will bother me that much.

[Icy Magebane]

I am a fan. I have multiple playthroughs with different decisions that intend to import and play.
I'm just fine either way. It's not something that will bother me that much.

I see.  Well that's a unique perspective and a reasonable one as well.  It's probably best not to take any of this stuff too seriously in the first place, right? 

[The Elder King]

I see.  Well that's a unique perspective and a reasonable one as well.  It's probably best not to take any of this stuff too seriously in the first place, right? 

Indeed .
There aren't many thing that they can do to seriously ****** me off. I can be disappointed, but not that much. The only one who I can think of at the moment is ME3 level of autodialogue.

[Master Warder Z_]

Indeed .
There aren't many thing that they can do to seriously ****** me off. I can be disappointed, but not that much. The only one who I can think of at the moment is ME3 level of autodialogue.

 

 

I once got a blister on my foot, it burst and became infected and spewed pus that was more yellow then darkspawn teeth.

 

It still didn't annoy me half as much as that game saying BS that my shep would have never said.

[AresKeith]

Indeed .
There aren't many thing that they can do to seriously ****** me off. I can be disappointed, but not that much. The only one who I can think of at the moment is ME3 level of autodialogue.

 

Gah, that stuff was annoying

[Ravensword]

I once got a blister on my foot, it burst and became infected and spewed pus that was more yellow then darkspawn teeth.

 

It still didn't annoy me half as much as that game saying BS that my shep would have never said.

Sounds like you mastered your taint.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Sounds like you mastered your taint.

 

Such mastery is rare. More valuable than gold.

[Frogtoad51]

I support Mage freedom. On the other hand I'd much rather have the Templar Order in my Inquisition because the templars are more numerous, and their discipline makes them far more reliable in the field. I remember using allied Mage forces to help me attack Fort Drakon in Origins and those idiots kept killing each other with friendly fire!

 

I hope there's a compromise option I can take in Inquisition. For example: I agree to help the templars on the condition that, after the rebellion is put down, The Circle of Magi will be reformed and give the mages more rights and freedoms. This will restore order and give the mages less reason to rebel in the future.