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[kej1519]

"Chaos is a ladder" -Little Finger

[Fistian Handsome]

Peace is what I would prefer. If I could keep the circle active and allow the mages more freedom while still keeping the Templars around, that would be pretty cool. But if not, I don't know who I would side with. I'd have to play the game and see what happens. 

[JAZZ_LEG3ND]

Sadly stupid mages do...
That one *** sxrews the pooch for all

 

I remember agonizing over what to do with the mages so many times in DA2: "What if they're all back-stabbing blood-bangers?!"

 

Templars are typically just drones. Do this, do that… (we love you Alistair). Regardless of the occasional arrogant numbskull, there’s never any fear of them using your thumper juice to summon demons.

[raging_monkey]

I remember agonizing over what to do with the mages so many times in DA2: "What if they're all back-stabbing blood-bangers?!"
 
Templars are typically just drones. Do this, do that… (we love you Alistair). Regardless of the occasional arrogant numbskull, there’s never any fear of them using your thumper juice to summon demons.

my warden spirit healing blood mage, wardens play different rules
But if your not a warden that stuff isnt cool it just gives the game more excuse to say mage= nutjob wrist-slitting moondancer. Its just pure stupidity. Why give ammo to the enemy ? Lol

[raging_monkey]

Personally, I think the former Circle was less restrictive... at least those mages were able to choose what to study and how to use their magic.  I am fine with having volunteers go out into the world as healers, but forcing everyone to follow that path and having the rest of the world take advantage of that doesn't feel right.  They should be allowed to refuse to go to war or heal people if they don't want to... I don't have a problem with any of that... the main issues are giving mages more contact with the outside world and holding the Templars accountable for abusing their charges.  If those issues are dealt with, we've already prevented Kirkwall from happening again, which is what I'm mainly interested in.

i petsonally feel we should move the circle from there templars too. Way too much evil stuff that affects them

[thetinyevil]

I think the entire Circle system needs to be gotten rid of. Yes there could be improvements but how long would they last? A hundred years maybe more or maybe less. It could very easily become the old system again. Removing one right after another for the greater good. 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

It depends on what form "siding with the mages" takes. The main reason I think the Circle is necessary is abominations; everything else can probably be countered without needing to use anything that horrible. So there'd need to be a Circle. There would also need to be some sort of law enforcement body that the mages are legitimately afraid to mess with and can't subvert, because otherwise Tevinter 2.0 will happen eventually. (Though, again, power-hungry mages can be countered without needing the Circles if whoever takes over for the Templars is vigilant enough and willing to use mages.) So to that extent I sympathize with the templars over the mages. The problem is that the Templars have forgotten that the mages are human (or equivalent to such with the elves.) Now, if I'm given an option to create a system that does the same thing the old one does with regards to abominations and magical criminals, but which controls the Templars as well as it does the mages, I'll do it. But if I have to choose between screwing the mages and screwing everyone else? Mages are the minority. As long as you're not screwing them more than is necessary, and there's no way to get around screwing them without screwing everyone else over big time, I consider it morally acceptable to have them taking one for the team.

[Elfquisitor]

ideas on improvements
Mages:
We are allowed visitation by family
Allowed to leave tower for business
All fields of study except blood magic
Harrowing is kept
Right of tranq is kept
Allowed marrige to other magi/or templar
Templars:
Higher moral standard
Better education and communication with magi
Better training for the odd abomination and blood mage
Knight commanders regularly consult first enchanters on apprentices
Templars are held accountable for abuses
Keep phylacteries
Is this fair? It seems to favor magi but im open to changes. I hope to make a ideal circle

Seems quite fair.

[TTTX]

* note to self. Never start a topic again....its best that way.

Never start a topic that has mage and/or templar in the title.

[Augustei]

Depends on the specifics of what type of solution to the war we can implement, I am completely against Anders whole "Same rights as any man" thing. But I am also against the status quo. Ideally I'd like to give the mages autonomy within their towers, slowly allowing them to take up positions in the community (If done to rapidly it will cause the commons to rise up against them) Keep the Templars around for those mages that cross the line but ensure they understand they are completely answerable to the crown and nobility, constantly reminding them whose perch is higher.
& Allow the mages some positions at court but bar them from some of them.

But yeah I generally tend to fall in favor of the mages, I sure do love the Imperium =D.. But certain steps should be taken to ensure no Magocracy rises in the south.

[Panda]

Circles must be kept as places where mages can learn to use magic without hurting themselves and anyone, and also they need to learn how to oppose demon. Circle sound be seen as mandatory education for mages. After graduation mages should be free to go.

 

Templars would keep order in Circles, bring apostates to circle an hunt mages who have commited crimes. Templars should act like guards and policemen so any abuse should be seen as serious crime and that person should be kicked out of order and punished accordinly.

 

Chantry should stop spreading information of magic being punishment and mages being bad. It should endorse view that mages are people like everyone else.

[MCG]

I'll reluctantly be supporting the Templars, right now they're the closest thing to keeping mages safe and monitored. The problem with the Templars is that those with the wrong kind of attitude are in charge and they bang on about the 'Maker' far too much, mages being completely free is too greater risk and a very uncivilized way of living for them however. They can never be 'free', at least not yet.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Circles must be kept as places where mages can learn to use magic without hurting themselves and anyone, and also they need to learn how to oppose demon. Circle sound be seen as mandatory education for mages. After graduation mages should be free to go.

 

Templars would keep order in Circles, bring apostates to circle an hunt mages who have commited crimes. Templars should act like guards and policemen so any abuse should be seen as serious crime and that person should be kicked out of order and punished accordinly.

 

Chantry should stop spreading information of magic being punishment and mages being bad. It should endorse view that mages are people like everyone else.

Not rly unless you want a huge increase in disasters that already are frequent.Pretty much harrowing and education in circles proves very little wheter mage will cause disaster or not as many examples show us mages out sight frequently jump into blood magic and dangerous experiments.

 

Chantry is spreading nothing more truth peoples should know that mages are dangerous and can't be seen same as normal peoples because that is just stupidity it would like treating tiger like cat.
  

[Panda]

Not rly unless you want a huge increase in disasters that already are frequent.Pretty much harrowing and education in circles proves very little wheter mage will cause disaster or not as many examples show us mages out sight frequently jump into blood magic and dangerous experiments.

 

Chantry is spreading nothing more truth peoples should know that mages are dangerous and can't be seen same as normal peoples because that is just stupidity it would like treating tiger like cat.
  

 

Innocent until quilty should apply to mages as well though and templars would hunt those mages. I actually think number of those who would turn to abominations and practice blood magic would drop since mages wouldn't been as driven in corner.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Innocent until quilty should apply to mages as well though and templars would hunt those mages. I actually think number of those who would turn to abominations and practice blood magic would drop since mages wouldn't been as driven in corner.

Not rly you would give them opportunity to use it and there are thousands reasons for mage to use it be it for power and make life easier , trying resurrect or cure your loved ones , religion , "greater good" and much more.

 

Problem with circles are that they give mages too much freedom and are ineffective in containing mages and preventing them from learing blood magic.

[Panda]

Not rly you would give them opportunity to use it and there are thousands reasons for mage to use it be it for power and make life easier , trying resurrect or cure your loved ones , religion , "greater good" and much more.

 

Problem with circles are that they give mages too much freedom and are ineffective in containing mages and preventing them from learing blood magic.

 

There is thing called conscience that most of people have that stops them from doing what's wrong. 

 

Some would surely use their freedom immoral ways but I think that letting mages to be free and have similar human rights that everyone has makes up for those who abuse their freedom.

 

EDIT: For grammar, gosh I'm bad.

[TheKomandorShepard]

There is thing called conscience that most of people have that permit them to do what's wrong. 

 

Some would surely use their freedom immoral ways but I think that letting mages to be free and have similar human rights that everyone has makes up for those who abuse their freedom.

Yeah if that was true laws and law enforcers wouldn't be necessary humans are flawed and weak and morality don't change that pretty much malcolm hawke who was blood mage beacuse he wanted protect his family prove that perfectly.

 

[TTTX]

Panda word of advice don't get involved in a discussion with TKS, he won't change his opinion.

 

The discussion will only continue to go around in a circle until you choose to ignore him.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

The Templars.

 

Though if I'm being honest that is due more to the hilarity of DA2 and these forums than genuine conviction.

[BloodKaiden]

I see Blood mage as such a weighted term. Like Malcolm Hawke using blood mage to help out the Wardens doesn't translate in my mind as him being evil.

[TTTX]

I see Blood mage as such a weighted term. Like Malcolm Hawke using blood mage to help out the Wardens doesn't translate in my mind as him being evil.

there are always an area of grey.

 

 

The Templars.

 

Though if I'm being honest that is due more to the hilarity of DA2 and these forums than genuine conviction.

At least you are honest, I like that.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Panda word of advice don't get involved in a discussion with TKS, he won't change his opinion.

 

The discussion will only continue to go around in a circle until you choose to ignore him.

And why i should change it when it is pretty much true being "evil" and "good" matter of personal opinion doesn't mean that mage won't reach for blood magic.

[Br3admax]

TKS can stay. People like him show me what true extremist really look like. To see how far you can fall.....

[Willowhugger]

I have a policy for Templars. "Do you believe mages are cursed by the Maker and/or damned?"

"Yes."

"Then please find other employment."

[TheKomandorShepard]

TKS can stay. People like him show me what true extremist really look like. To see how far you can fall.....

And that is bad because?