For me, the answer is, "I'm all for preventing demonic possession but if that requires locking up the innocent. Then [censored] that."
Yeah, it's a risk but life is a risk.
And I'll take my chances.
And of the countless innocents that are to die? The villages that will be razed to the ground and their populations reduced to zero? They're worth a few special snowflakes being able to practice their magic anywhere?
And that is bad because?
It isn't. Once one realizes what you're about, you can be funny.
And of the countless innocents that are to die? The villages that will be razed to the ground and their populations reduced to zero? They're worth a few special snowflakes being able to practice their magic anywhere?
I don't trust knights to not burn, murder, and pillage.
Let alone mages.
But I can't outlaw them.
Let's face it, The Masked Empire described everything you're describing and that didn't take a bunch of abominations.
I still think it is hilarious that he switched sides so drastically all that time ago.
I don't understand why he always gets lumped in with the pro-Templars. Doesn't TKS hate everyone?
It isn't. Once one realizes what you're about, you can be funny.
Oh so what im about maybe i will laugh too?
I don't understand why he always gets lumped in with the pro-Templars. Doesn't TKS hate everyone?
I don't need hate obstacle to remove one hm?
I don't trust knights to not burn, murder, and pillage.
Let alone mages.
But I can't outlaw them.
Let's face it, The Masked Empire described everything you're describing and that didn't take a bunch of abominations.
The thing about knights doing that, is that it has to be a cognitive CHOICE made by the knight. That is not the case with mages.
I don't trust knights to not burn, murder, and pillage.
Let alone mages.
But I can't outlaw them.
The difference being that a mage can kill, burn down a village or fall into a demons trap without even meaning to. That is what makes them so inherently dangerous.
I don't trust knights to not burn, murder, and pillage.
Let alone mages.
But I can't outlaw them.
Let's face it, The Masked Empire described everything you're describing and that didn't take a bunch of abominations.
Knights can't do it as efficiently. One abomination can destroy Redcliffe and several of its knights. And as others have pointed out, the mage might not even choose to do so given that they can become possessed. On the other hand, knights don't have to worry about falling to demons except in really rare circumstances that were probably brought on by a mage in the first place.
The difference being that a mage can kill, burn down a village or fall into a demons trap without even meaning to. That is what makes them so inherently dangerous.
They can also heal the sick, build towers, and destroy monsters regular humans can't.
It's a worthwhile trade off and I wouldn't outlaw them even if it wasn't.
Knights can't do it as efficiently. One abomination can destroy Redcliffe and several of its knights. And as others have pointed out, the mage might not even choose to do so given that they can become possessed. On the other hand, knights don't have to worry about falling to demons except in really rare circumstances that were probably brought on by a mage in the first place.
Connor was also being protected by his mother. As nasty as it is, if he hadn't been in a castle, they could have just stabbed him and ended the problem then and there.
As for being possessed unwillingly, the only time we saw that was in Wilhelm's village and that took a lot of effort on the part of the demon.
The fact Connor had access to blood magic is another thing we can blame on Jowan.
Nice job, genius.
They can also heal the sick, build towers, and destroy monsters regular humans can't.
It's a worthwhile trade off and I wouldn't outlaw them even if it wasn't.
Nobody wants to outlaw mages. Except for TKS, and I think he's probably a troll. Pretty much everyone is either arguing to free them or to restrict them.
And of the countless innocents that are to die? The villages that will be razed to the ground and their populations reduced to zero? They're worth a few special snowflakes being able to practice their magic anywhere?
Nobody wants to outlaw mages. Except for TKS, and I think he's probably a troll. Pretty much everyone is either arguing to free them or to restrict them.
Being identified as a mage is more or less a life-long prison sentence.
A minimum security vacation spa resort prison.
But a lifetime prison sentence.
Connor was also being protected by his mother. As nasty as it is, if he hadn't been in a castle, they could have just stabbed him and ended the problem then and there.
As for being possessed unwillingly, the only time we saw that was in Wilhelm's village and that took a lot of effort on the part of the demon.
The fact Connor had access to blood magic is another thing we can blame on Jowan.Nice job, genius.
Stabbing abominations is more difficult than you think. It's what you need to do, yes, but it works only if you can reach them. And they don't really need a castle to make that difficult. They can make things explode.
It takes some effort for a demon to possess unwilling people, but it can still happen. Especially if they do stupid things. And we have from a Codex written by Orsino, who might be expected not to come up with pro-Templar propaganda, that even the First Enchanters are not immune.
As for how Connor got possessed, my point isn't how he get possessed, it's that he did.
They can also heal the sick, build towers, and destroy monsters regular humans can't.
It's a worthwhile trade off and I wouldn't outlaw them even if it wasn't.
I disagree. I believe more would die at the hands of mages than would be helped/saved.It's too big of a price to pay.
Adding to that, there's also the fact that power corrupts, you really think mages would not take advantage of their power in society? That they would be content to remain healers, farmers abd builders when they could so easily use a little of their power to become powerful politicians, or even a monarch?
Mages let free in society will always rise to the top, because they will always have the power to do so. Eventually the nobles would be ousted and replaced by mages and we would be on our way to another magocracy, it's just an inevitable outcome.
Being identified as a mage is more or less a life-long prison sentence.
A minimum security vacation spa resort prison.
But a lifetime prison sentence.
Factually incorrect given the vast amount of mages we have witnessed being allowed out the Circle, and hell to even LIVE outside the Circles. However, if you are a troublemaker, then yes, it is a lifetime in the Circle Tower. Good riddance.
Stabbing abominations is more difficult than you think. It's what you need to do, yes, but it works only if you can reach them. And they don't really need a castle to make that difficult. They can make things explode.
It takes some effort for a demon to possess unwilling people, but it can still happen. Especially if they do stupid things. And we have from a Codex written by Orsino, who might be expected not to come up with pro-Templar propaganda, that even the First Enchanters are not immune.
As for how Connor got possessed, my point isn't how he get possessed, it's that he did.
I'm just saying that things are not as easy or clear-cut as you make them out. Demons can possess corpses, animals, trees, and Templars. Mages are more DANGEROUS as abominations but they are not the sole sources of abominations as Sophia Dryden and Mister Wiggums proves. While Connor is able to raise an army of corpses, we also have the Grand Sylvan surrounded by an army of psychotic Ents. Mister Wiggums could kill several Templars himself if Anders is to be believed and I don't doubt that's the case.
Also, the elven orphanage and Deep Roads shows demonic possession and hauntings are not limited to the actions of mages.
I disagree. I believe more would die at the hands of mages than would be helped/saved.It's too big of a price to pay.
Adding to that, there's also the fact that power corrupts, you really think mages would not take advantage of their power in society? That they would be content to remain healers, farmers abd builders when they could so easily use a little of their power to become powerful politicians, or even a monarch?
Mages let free in society will always rise to the top, because they will always have the power to do so. Eventually the nobles would be ousted and replaced by mages and we would be on our way to another magocracy, it's just an inevitable outcome.
I understand your position, SnakeCode. I think it's a perfectly valid and reasonable one. It's also the ones the Templars share. It's why I will take no pleasure in waging war against them in Inquisition. I'll still try to dissolve their order, though.
Sometimes, two people can have valid viewpoints.
Both right.
And they will still have no recourse but war.
In that, Anders was right.
Why not? It's Thedas, people die. Unless a mage commits the actual act why should this be their problem?
Then, following that logic, normal humans have no obligation whatsoever to mages and their freedoms. If they are just willing to sacrifice normal people for their own good, then there is absolutely no reason Templars shouldn't just sacrifice the mages for the good of the normal population.
Lock the mages up, throw away the key.
Then, following that logic, normal humans have no obligation whatsoever to mages and their freedoms. If they are just willing to sacrifice normal people for their own good, then there is absolutely no reason Templars shouldn't just sacrifice the mages for the good of the normal population.
Lock the mages up, throw away the key.
Destroy the Templars, destroy those who would lynch them.
Fight for your rights!
ARISE ELVES!
ARISE CASTELESS!
ARISE MAGES!
THROW OFF YOUR SHACKLES!
PRAISE TALOS!
Oh right, sorry, wrong setting.
Why not? It's Thedas, people die. Unless a mage commits the actual act why should this be their problem?
It's a question of Do you protect the vast majority or allow a select minority to have better lives. I will always side with the majority in this situation.
Make a few people's lives less enjoyable so that the majority can live without constant fear, or allow a few to live better lives whilst everyone else's lives get drastically worse.
It's a question of Do you protect the vast majority or allow a select minority to have better lives. I will always side with the majority in this sityation.
If the majority are bigots, screw them.
The majority of Orlesians want the elves to live in destitution and poverty.
The majority of Orlesians probably want to conquer Fereldan too.
I understand your position, SnakeCode. I think it's a perfectly valid and reasonable one. It's also the ones the Templars share. It's why I will take no pleasure in waging war against them in Inquisition. I'll still try to dissolve their order, though.
Sometimes, two people can have valid viewpoints.
Both right.
And they will still have no recourse but war.In that, Anders was right.
If there was a better alternative than the circle so help me I would do it. I just can't see one. I feel for the mages, but I have to put the good of the many before the good of the few.
If there was a better alternative than the circle so help me I would do it. I just can't see one. I feel for the mages, but I have to put the good of the many before the good of the few.
Understood.
*heads out to the field to gather his mage armies*
I shall not look for you on the field, Kadan!
I'm just saying that things are not as easy or clear-cut as you make them out. Demons can possess corpses, animals, trees, and Templars. Mages are more DANGEROUS as abominations but they are not the sole sources of abominations as Sophia Dryden and Mister Wiggums proves. While Connor is able to raise an army of corpses, we also have the Grand Sylvan surrounded by an army of psychotic Ents. Mister Wiggums could kill several Templars himself if Anders is to be believed and I don't doubt that's the case.
Also, the elven orphanage and Deep Roads shows demonic possession and hauntings are not limited to the actions of mages.
The problem is that mages are the easiest road for demons to take in addition to being the most dangerous one for those around them. Furthermore, we see abominations in the Orphanage and the Templar is seeking maleficarum rather than rogue demons, so I'm not sure that that works as an example of demons without mages.
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