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[SnakeCode]

If the majority are bigots, screw them.

 

The majority of Orlesians want the elves to live in destitution and poverty.

 

The majority of Orlesians probably want to conquer Fereldan too.

No they aren't. The majority are uneducated peasants, who barely live better than the elves, and certainly don't live the life of relative luxury that the mages live in.

 

The vast majority of non-mages are actually in a more similar position to the ekves than the circle mages are.

 

 

Mages will never have to fear going hungry, due to lack of money or a bad harvest.

 

They will never have to worry about having enough money to get by on.

 

They will never have to worry about having a warm bed for the night.

[Willowhugger]

The problem is that mages are the easiest road for demons to take in addition to being the most dangerous one for those around them. Furthermore, we see abominations in the Orphanage and the Templar is seeking maleficarum rather than rogue demons, so I'm not sure that that works as an example of demons without mages.

 

The Templar is very clear that he's not sure what he's searching for. He only has a vague sense of evil in the area.

 

We don't find any evidence of Maleificar but we do know the Alienage's children were slaughtered by Howe's men.

 

It is, however, a very DISTURBING thing to imagine that mages aren't needed at all for abominations or demons to infest the world.

[Willowhugger]

No they aren't. The majority are uneducated peasants, who barely live better than the elves, and certainly don't live the life of relative luxury that the mages live in.

 

The vast majority of non-mages are actually in a more similar position to the ekves than the circle mages are.

 

Mages will never have to fear going hungry, due to lack of money or a bad harvest.

 

They will never have to worry about having enough money to get by on.

 

They will never have to worry about having a warm bed for the night.

Oh yes, in a post, I described mages as, "Being invited to a party which never ends."

"However, you can never leave the party."

[Br3admax]

The Templar is very clear that he's not sure what he's searching for. He only has a vague sense of evil in the area.

 

We don't find any evidence of Maleificar but we do know the Alienage's children were slaughtered by Howe's men.

 

It is, however, a very DISTURBING thing to imagine that mages aren't needed at all for abominations or demons to infest the world.

Without mages, there are no abominations. That is fact. 

[Willowhugger]

Without mages, there are no abominations. That is fact. 

 

I'm pretty sure this is 100% wrong.

 

In fact, I have proof.

 

Dwarves=No Magic.

 

Thaigs=Filled to the Rim with Demons, Ghosts, An Abomination, and Rock-Wraiths.

 

Besides, humans go to the Fade when they dream.

 

If the orphanage is a place where the veil was thinned by simple violence, it may be that demons will always be a part of Thedas life.

[The Elder King]

Connor was also being protected by his mother. As nasty as it is, if he hadn't been in a castle, they could have just stabbed him and ended the problem then and there.
As for being possessed unwillingly, the only time we saw that was in Wilhelm's village and that took a lot of effort on the part of the demon.
The fact Connor had access to blood magic is another thing we can blame on Jowan.

Nice job, genius.

Not true. Uldred was possessed unwillingly. He wanted to use demons against
his enemies, not merge with one.
I support a better Circle system (which doesn't even have to be under the Chantry), and in theory I'm not against a different system. The problem is that most of the time those who proposed a different system doesn't account countermeasures for danger magic can cause. Which are greater then what non-mages in the same situation can cause.
That doesn't i wouldn't do anything to prevent the abuses and the danger you stated non-mages can do. But the fact that those exist doesn't mean I'll happily let mages be free without even think of proper methods to anticipate and deal with accidents.

[JonasTheBloodMage]

I don't really blame the templars for getting worried of demons, but you can't make every mage you see as a monster just waiting for them to eat babies or something. I wished that the templar order was aiming for the true bloos mages in the tervinter imperium and i know that it could start a war but atleats stop them from being the true blood mages that they are. The circle should house blood mages or kill them if they get really dangerous but not innocent children or young adults who are thinking that if they even bleed from from falling onto the floor, they could get there head choped of or something. I know templars have there worry but also mages, but truthfuly i think mages/templars have there possitive and negative but I guess neither side is innocent.

[Br3admax]

I'm pretty sure this is 100% wrong.

 

In fact, I have proof.

 

Dwarves=No Magic.

 

Thaigs=Filled to the Rim with Demons, Ghosts, An Abomination, and Rock-Wraiths.

 

Besides, humans go to the Fade when they dream.

 

If the orphanage is a place where the veil was thinned by simple violence, it may be that demons will always be a part of Thedas life.

Considering an abomination is a possessed mage, I think I'm 100% right. 

[The Hierophant]

I'm pretty sure this is 100% wrong.

Nope. Abominations are only created when a demon possesses a mage.

Though what you said about demons not needing mages in order to cross over into Thedas is true.

[Willowhugger]

Nope. Abominations are only created when a demon possesses a mage.

Though what you said about demons not needing mages in order to cross over into Thedas is true.

 

What do we call Sophia Dryden then?

[The Elder King]

I'm pretty sure this is 100% wrong.

In a Veil-safe environment, non mages can't be possessed or demons can't get out of the Veil.
Though I don't recall if demons don't go for non mages because they can't or because the mages' presence makes them disregard the rest of the mortals.

[Willowhugger]

Considering an abomination is a possessed mage, I think I'm 100% right. 

What's that big giant rock monster possessed by a demon then?

 

Also, Mister Wiggums?

The Poet-Tree.

 

Winterfang

[EmperorSahlertz]

I'm pretty sure this is 100% wrong.

 

In fact, I have proof.

 

Dwarves=No Magic.

 

Thaigs=Filled to the Rim with Demons, Ghosts, An Abomination, and Rock-Wraiths.

 

Besides, humans go to the Fade when they dream.

 

If the orphanage is a place where the veil was thinned by simple violence, it may be that demons will always be a part of Thedas life.

Demons can appear wherever the Veil is thin enough for them to pass through. Usually this is in a place of magic, but can also be at sites of great slaughter. Abominations however can ONLY be created through the demonic possession of a mage.

[TTTX]

The fact Connor had access to blood magic is another thing we can blame on Jowan.

Nice job, genius.

Connor barely knew any magic or had any knowledge of demons and such. He even calls the desire demon a lady and I'm pretty sure it was the demon using the blood magic and not Connor even he says he isn't in control of his body when the "lady" shows up.

[Br3admax]

What's that big giant rock monster possessed by a demon then?

 

Also, Mister Wiggums?

For starters, not an abomination. Second, it's something being powered by red lyrium, not a demon. The only demon there was drawn by all the destruction the lyrium caused to the Veil, and even it was not an abomination. 

[Willowhugger]

Demons can appear wherever the Veil is thin enough for them to pass through. Usually this is in a place of magic, but can also be at sites of great slaughter. Abominations however can ONLY be created through the demonic possession of a mage.

 

My apologies if I got the terminology wrong.

I tend to think of any demon/person hybrid as an abomination.

[MisterJB]

The mages broke an hard won peace, shattered the stability of the realms and harmed the people in pursuit of their own selfish goals.

They shall be made to regret it.

[EmperorSahlertz]

In a Veil-safe environment, non mages can't be possessed or demons can't get out of the Veil.
Though I don't recall if demons don't go for non mages because they can't or because the mages' presence makes them disregard the rest of the mortals.

They can, but they usually won't. Normal people holds no interest for demons, since they don't possess that magical spark the demons desire. Whenever ANyTHING else than a mage is possessed, it is becase the demon was forced to, or because the demon was confused.

[SnakeCode]

What's that big giant rock monster possessed by a demon then?

 

Also, Mister Wiggums?

Prothane. Dwarves who changed their nature due to eating red lyrium, they weren't abominations.

 

The really big one was a rock wraith. 

 

The one that you converse with was just a demon possessing a prothane corpse (I assume, it doesn't go into detail.)

[Willowhugger]

The mages broke an hard won peace, shattered the stability of the realms and harmed the people in pursuit of their own selfish goals.

They shall be made to regret it.

 

I, on the other hand, will feel nothing but regret when I look upon the shattered remnants of the Templar order.

 

They will be given many a chance to surrender.

 

But the Inquisition will be taking over their duties.

 

If I can, I will dissolve their order and absorb it.

Those who committed crimes against mages will be given fair trials.

 

Justice will be the order of the day.

And victory.

[Willowhugger]

They can, but they usually won't. Normal people holds no interest for demons, since they don't possess that magical spark the demons desire. Whenever ANyTHING else than a mage is possessed, it is becase the demon was forced to, or because the demon was confused.

 

Inanimate objects and Tranquil have no interest for demons.

 

But PEOPLE have an interest to demons in general.

 

Even corpses.

 

They said so in Asunder.

Remember, one Desire Demon wanted a Templar because his dreams of a family and desire for a "normal" life were so powerful.

You can let her take him.

[Br3admax]

Inanimate objects have no interest for demons.

 

But PEOPLE have an interest to demons in general.

 

Even corpses.

 

They said so in Asunder.

Remember, one Desire Demon wanted a Templar because his dreams of a family and desire for a "normal" life were so powerful.

You can let her take him.

No. Demons want the same power they had in the Fade in this world. They can only experience that through a mage. This is why they desire mages above all others. 

[Lulupab]

I still believe Comparing Anders to V (from V for Vendetta) was accurate. He watches his own kind get ethnic cleansing (annulment). Mages cannot ask for more rights, we see the consequence of that action in asunder where college of enchanters gets disbanded in response to a proposal. Its simply tyranny. And you bet your arse in a dystopian society where the government watches everything people will indeed be much more safe than a free world, there will be close no to criminals. That's just how it is. The circles play this role in Thedas, at least the current system as we don't know what happens next. Oppress the mages so other people can be safe from potential threat.

I believe there is a better way to receive the same goal and what Anders did was necessary to give the opportunity to other people to take the moral high road and lead the mages. I believe Templars must become a police force and remember that they have no right over mages unless proven guilty not the other way around.

[Willowhugger]

No. Demons want the same power they had in the Fade in this world. They can only experience that through a mage. This is why they desire mages above all others. 

 

They'll take what they can get, though.

[Br3admax]

They'll take what they can get, though.

That's because they can't survive without a host. They don't go to corpses because they're appealing.