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[Hibernating]

That's because they can't survive without a host. They don't go to corpses because they're appealing. 

Im incredibly pro-templars but im pretty sure this fact is wrong

"The spirits gather around that violence like moths around a lantern, pressing for a closer look, until the Veil between this world and the Fade is stretched thin. Where it breaks, the spirits steal in, desperate for a taste of what we mortals take for granted. The weaker ones possess something that cannot fight back, like a corpse...and as the spirits relive the battles they once witnessed, mimicking what they think of as life, we mortals see only a corpse rise and attack."

[SnakeCode]

I still believe Comparing Anders to V (from V for Vendetta) was accurate. He watches his own kind get ethnic cleansing (annulment). Mages cannot ask for more rights, we see the consequence of that action in asunder where college of enchanters gets disbanded in response to a proposal. Its simply tyranny. And you bet your arse in a dystopian society where the government watches everything people will indeed be much more safe than a free world, there will be close no to criminals. That's just how it is. The circles play this role in Thedas, at least the current system as we don't know what happens next. Oppress the mages so other people can be safe from potential threat.

I believe there is a better way to receive the same goal and what Anders did was necessary to give the opportunity to other people to take the moral high road and lead the mages. I believe Templars must become a police force and remember that they have no right over mages unless proven guilty not the other way around.

You believe there is a better way to protect people from potential threat than making sure the threat never reaches them? How?

 

Also you can't agree with protection of the innocents AND agree with Anders actions, he placed those very people under DIRECT threat.

[Hibernating]

I think the two ideas most likely to work are the Tranquil solution or Isolation. Tranquil Solution only if the mages reject or abuse the Isolation solution.

[JonasTheBloodMage]

I still believe Comparing Anders to V (from V for Vendetta) was accurate. He watches his own kind get ethnic cleansing (annulment). Mages cannot ask for more rights, we see the consequence of that action in asunder where college of enchanters gets disbanded in response to a proposal. Its simply tyranny. And you bet your arse in a dystopian society where the government watches everything people will indeed be much more safe than a free world, there will be close no to criminals. That's just how it is. The circles play this role in Thedas, at least the current system as we don't know what happens next. Oppress the mages so other people can be safe from potential threat.

I believe there is a better way to receive the same goal and what Anders did was necessary to give the opportunity to other people to take the moral high road and lead the mages. I believe Templars must become a police force and remember that they have no right over mages unless proven guilty not the other way around.

 

I believe your right in some way but look at what happend after Anders blows up the chantry, it lead to alot of death of mages who suffered who wanted to live or maybe some wanted to fight but in the end and I know if Hawke wasn't there the Templars might have won and kill off the rest with ease or it could have been the mages who beat the templars. I truly believe that the templars should be a kind of a police force or something and not make all mages as this horrible monster but also get true blood mages and not wait around waiting for a cirlce mage to do it but hunt down tervinter imperium blood mages that instead of calling them self's blood mages they put a fancy word call the magister's

[The Elder King]

Well, Anders' action made sure that in Kirwkall innocents, both mages and non-mages, were in danger, so I agree with SnakeCode.

[The Hierophant]

What do we call Sophia Dryden then?

Who knows. Probably only a possessed ghoul.

http://dragonage.wik...ry:_Abomination

http://dragonage.wik...onic_Possession

Considering that the above codices states that an abomination is created when a magical being is possessed. Amalia's and Wilmod's classification as such on the wiki seems erroneous. Though for Wilmod's situation him being one would only be possible if Tarohne's possession ritual infused him with magic before she placed the demon inside him.

[Willowhugger]

That's because they can't survive without a host. They don't go to corpses because they're appealing. 

 

Still makes them dangerous.

[Lulupab]

You believe there is a better way to protect people from potential threat than making sure the threat never reaches them? How?

Also you can't agree with protection of the innocents AND agree with Anders actions, he placed those very people under DIRECT threat.

V blew up a building too, hence the comparison. For every Martin Luther King or Anne Frank or Rosa Parks or Gandhi you see in the world, there are people with blood on their hands who give these leaders and rest of the world the opportunity to take the moral high road. Their actions ARE despicable, but that doesn't make them any less necessary. This is the point that the rest of us are missing, from our very comfortable positions in life: being able to take the high road and condemn the actions of murderous freedom fighters is, sometimes, not recognized for what it is: a luxury that we would NOT HAVE if not for those murderers giving the rest of the world something to rally around.

My opinion is giving mages complete autonomy inside the circles. Obviously separated from chantry and self-operating founded by selling they enchantments and in general other magical services. The Templars are only obligated to keep them inside and keep them safe from the outside. When mages have decent comfort they will fight for it so if some mages decide to go on a blood magic orgy the mages will fight it instead of joining them or cowering. They simply never get a chance to do so and having nothing to lose they join the fray like Uldred's case and those who fight (minority) either die or worse.

[SnakeCode]

Where you say freedom fighter I say terrorist.

 

Edit- I actually have no problem with your revamped circle. Unfortunately it won't work any better than the current system. It does nothing to appease those that just want to be free, which seems to be the majority of mages. A larger, even more gilded cage is still a cage. There will still be revolts and wars will eventually be fought for mage freedom once again.

[HellaciousHutch]

I plan to have my canon Inquisitor to side with the mages, being a (elf) mage himself and all. 

[Br3admax]

Still makes them dangerous.

It's nowhere near as dangerous as an abomination. 

[Willowhugger]

I still believe Comparing Anders to V (from V for Vendetta) was accurate. He watches his own kind get ethnic cleansing (annulment). Mages cannot ask for more rights, we see the consequence of that action in asunder where college of enchanters gets disbanded in response to a proposal. Its simply tyranny. And you bet your arse in a dystopian society where the government watches everything people will indeed be much more safe than a free world, there will be close no to criminals. That's just how it is. The circles play this role in Thedas, at least the current system as we don't know what happens next. Oppress the mages so other people can be safe from potential threat.

I believe there is a better way to receive the same goal and what Anders did was necessary to give the opportunity to other people to take the moral high road and lead the mages. I believe Templars must become a police force and remember that they have no right over mages unless proven guilty not the other way around.

 

My Hawke agreed with Anders about 90% of what he preached, even if he felt Anders was someone who ignored the plight of elves and the impoverished to focus solely on Mages--which he felt made Anders a hypocrite. Anders talked about how the elves should join with the mages but never talked about how mages could help the elves. Anyway, my Hawke was something of a hypocrite as he chose to live as a "closeted" mage in Hightown with all of his freedoms intact despite the fact so many others were suffering.

In the end, Anders action spurred Hawke to join the rebellion and fight the Templars to achieve freedom for their kind. However, my Hawke killed Anders. Revolutions are never bloodless or clean but they often mean drastic changes for the winners. Still, if mages degenerate to becoming what normal people fear then they will have sacrificed everything about themselves which made them good.

 

Besides, I'm pretty sure death was what Anders wanted.

 

Much like V.

[Willowhugger]

It's nowhere near as dangerous as an abomination. 

 

Still, it seems pretty clear that "blame it all on the mages" is a dumb dumb statement.

 

The demons are the problems, not the mages.

And they're not going anywhere.

[Lulupab]

Where you say freedom fighter I say terrorist.

Call it whatever you like, the US is free because the soldiers who fought for its independence did many horrible things. The British called them terrorists, the people of US called them freedom fighters. Two sides of the same coin, which side do you choose to see?

[The Elder King]

He might've wanted to die, though for different reasons between Friendship and rivarly.

[Willowhugger]

Where you say freedom fighter I say terrorist.

 

Which is why my Hawke killed him, yeah.

 

Revolutions are never clean, but those who don't bother can often reek terrible consequences

[Br3admax]

Call it whatever you like, the US is free because the soldiers who fought for its independence did many horrible things. The British called them terrorists, the people of US called them freedom fighters. Two sides of the same coin, which side do you choose to see?

I'm glad that makes it okay. 

[Hibernating]

Call it whatever you like, the US is free because the soldiers who fought for its independence did many horrible things. The British called them terrorists, the people of US called them freedom fighters. Two sides of the same coin, which side do you choose to see?

Yeah but if America became a free an independant nation they didnt bring on an age of war, threaten and then rule over every other......

Bad anaology.

[Willowhugger]

Call it whatever you like, the US is free because the soldiers who fought for its independence did many horrible things. The British called them terrorists, the people of US called them freedom fighters. Two sides of the same coin, which side do you choose to see?

 

Sometimes, but the basic thing is you DO need limits in revolutionary movements.

Why?

Because if they succeed in overthrowing the government, they will turn this "end justifies the means" mentality on the population.

 

Which is why so many revolutions give rise to worse governments.

You've got to have a code of some kind.

 

Even if it's got to be flexible.

[Br3admax]

Still, it seems pretty clear that "blame it all on the mages" is a dumb dumb statement.

 

The demons are the problems, not the mages.

And they're not going anywhere.

This is like saying people don't cause house fires because of one forest fire in California. No, it's pretty spot on to say mages cause most of the possession in the world. 

[Lulupab]

My Hawke agreed with Anders about 90% of what he preached, even if he felt Anders was someone who ignored the plight of elves and the impoverished to focus solely on Mages--which he felt made Anders a hypocrite. Anders talked about how the elves should join with the mages but never talked about how mages could help the elves. Anyway, my Hawke was something of a hypocrite as he chose to live as a "closeted" mage in Hightown with all of his freedoms intact despite the fact so many others were suffering.

In the end, Anders action spurred Hawke to join the rebellion and fight the Templars to achieve freedom for their kind. However, my Hawke killed Anders. Revolutions are never bloodless or clean but they often mean drastic changes for the winners. Still, if mages degenerate to becoming what normal people fear then they will have sacrificed everything about themselves which made them good.
 
Besides, I'm pretty sure death was what Anders wanted.
 
Much like V.

Anders' writer in DA2 Jennifer Hepler stated that he wishes death so that the people whom he killed receive justice as well. He doesn't discriminate in what he wishes for mages. Not always anyway.

[Willowhugger]

I'm glad that makes it okay. 

 

It doesn't, but passivity in the face of oppression is just as bad.

 

The choice to do nothing is still a choice.

[Br3admax]

It doesn't, but passivity in the face of oppression is just as bad.

 

The choice to do nothing is still a choice.

America wasn't being oppressed. And neither were the mages. 

[Willowhugger]

This is like saying people don't cause house fires because of one forest fire in California. No, it's pretty spot on to say mages cause most of the possession in the world. 

 

This is a true point. Conceded.

[RobRam10]

Mundanes are cattle, slaves. The time of the Templars is over, this is our glorious age of ascendancy as the rightful masters of this world.