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[Willowhugger]

America wasn't being oppressed. And neither were the mages. 

 

I would probably have had my property seized as a royalist, yeah.

 

As for the mages, we disagree and I doubt that will ever change.

[Lulupab]

Yeah but if America became a free an independant nation they didnt bring on an age of war, threaten and then rule over every other......
Bad anaology.

Because The US was already in war, Mages and Templars just started at the end of DA2. The outcome is still unknown unlike this analogy so its not bad at all. Besides it wasn't my main point, the coin analogy was.

[Willowhugger]

Anyway, I hope the Mages and Templars is a parade of the sympathetic and unsympathetic characters we've met on both sides.

 

I would hate if I had to kill Keran.

 

Sadly, Ser Thrask is dead but I could see him on the Templars side too.

 

Ser Gregoir is probably LEADING the Templar faction of the war.

 

So, crushing them will be full of FEELS.

[SnakeCode]

Thrask would have done an Evangeline, fought for mage freedom. Terrible Templar....

[Willowhugger]

Thrask would have done an Evangeline, fought for mage freedom. Terrible Templar....

 

Maybe.

I'm inclined to think a lot of Templars aren't against mages even if they're fighting against them.

The forums are not a good source on what the Templars and Mages themselves think.

I wouldn't be surprised if plenty of Templars want to make peace with mages.

 

And vice-versa.

 

It's just, well, that goes out the window once the Rift happens.

[Lulupab]

Its funny how terrible Templars are always good people, don't you think?

[Willowhugger]

Because, remember, the Templars themselves call the mages "Their charges."

They think they're doing all this for the mage's own good.

Kirkwall is the only place mages weren't encouraged to be friendly with Templars and vice versa.

[Willowhugger]

Its funny how terrible Templars are always good people, don't you think?

 

My Hawke seriously considered siding with the Templars despite being a Pro-Mage Anti-Templar zealot at the end of the game.

 

He grew sick of every mage using their freedom as an excuse to bully, abuse, and murder muggles.

 

Ser Thrask was (almost) the last straw.

 

A Templar extends his trust, sympathy, and friendship and you use it to do Blood Magic.

 

*head bang*

Kirkwall's Circle was a cesspool and I wonder why Bethany liked it there. Was she just blind or was she getting corrupted?

[SnakeCode]

Its funny how terrible Templars are always good people, don't you think?

Thrask wasnt a good person. He was a willing accomplice to a bloodmage, and allowed the kidnapping of your sibling/lover to try and get you to do his dirty work for him.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

The Templar is very clear that he's not sure what he's searching for. He only has a vague sense of evil in the area.

 

We don't find any evidence of Maleificar but we do know the Alienage's children were slaughtered by Howe's men.

 

It is, however, a very DISTURBING thing to imagine that mages aren't needed at all for abominations or demons to infest the world.

 

I know this is old but there was totally a part in that mission that showed the cause.

 

One of the kids that was going to be slaughtered talked about the "voices" helping him or some such. Three guesses what the voices were.

[Hibernating]

I don't know why the argument is about Abominations.
If you want to look at the real threat posed by free mages, look what happens each time it occurs.

Tevinter Imperium Magisters ruled with an iron fist and conquered the entire world. Destroying Arlathan.
They then went on to kill off an enormous amount of slaves and use up a huge amount of lyrium so they could physically go into the veil, causing every blight from the first onwards.

The current free mages rule a society run on slaves where the strongest bloodmage calls the shots, the general people are second class citizens to those with magic.

Most recently the Venatori, a group of free mages who seem to have opened a very large hole in the sky which is threatening to destroy the world.

I could understand siding with the mages, MAYBE, if they didn't go into the fade when they slept to be temped by demons, but that ontop of their absurd amounts of power while being such a small minority of the population means they must be controlled, tranquilised or exiled.

The good of the many over the safety and freedoms of a few, its not a hard choice.

[Willowhugger]

Thrask wasnt a good person. He was a willing cohort to a bloodmage, and allowed the kidnapping of your sibling/lover to try and get you to do his dirty work for him.

 

My Inquistor wants to wipe the Templars out (or at least dissolve their order) and free all mages.

My Inquisitor would STILL want to purge Kirkwall's Circle.

 

There's something in that place's water.

It's like the Thedas Gotham City.

[Willowhugger]

I don't know why the argument is about Abominations.
If you want to look at the real threat posed by free mages, look what happens each time it occurs.

 

Tevinter is kind of an odd choice, though, given it's a society founded by Dumat.

Who is, very possibly, as close to Satan as exists in the franchise.

It's sort of like saying.

"You know why Mordor is horrible? The Damn Eastlanders!"

[Lulupab]

I don't know why the argument is about Abominations.
If you want to look at the real threat posed by free mages, look what happens each time it occurs.
Tevinter Imperium Magisters ruled with an iron fist and conquered the entire world. Destroying Arlathan.
They then went on to kill off an enormous amount of slaves and use up a huge amount of lyrium so they could physically go into the veil, causing every blight from the first onwards.
The current free mages rule a society run on slaves where the strongest bloodmage calls the shots, the general people are second class citizens to those with magic.
Most recently the Venatori, a group of free mages who seem to have opened a very large hole in the sky which is threatening to destroy the world.
I could understand siding with the mages, MAYBE, if they didn't go into the fade when they slept to be temped by demons, but that ontop of their absurd amounts of power while being such a small minority of the population means they must be controlled, tranquilised or exiled.
The good of the many over the safety and freedoms of a few, its not a hard choice.

Your nationality comes before being a mage. Its illegal to make a Tevinter citizen a slave. There are Elves who serve tevinter willingly and with pride etc... So just because SOME of tevinter mages did something it doesn't mean every single mage should be blamed for it. Not even all mages in tevinter.

[RobRam10]

Tevinter is glorious. Soon the world will return as it once with mages ruling the weak.

[Willowhugger]

Your nationality comes before being a mage. Its illegal to make a Tevinter citizen a slave. There are Elves who serve tevinter willingly and with pride etc... So just because SOME of tevinter mages did something it doesn't mean every single mage should be blamed for it. Not even all mages in tevinter.

 

I'd be interested in whether Tevinter really is the Sith Empire-Lite as it's described to us by Fenris or whether it's more nuanced.

Right now, I keep thinking they make every child proclaim.

"Peace is a lie, there is only passion.

Through passion, I gain strength.

Through strength, I gain power.

Through power, I gain victory.

Through victory, my chains are broken."

[SnakeCode]

Given how every magister we've seen so far is completely evil i'd probably take Fenris at his word.

 

Let's not forget, Fenris was giving HIS account of the Tevinter HE saw. Even if Tevinter doesn't turn out to be the Mordor of Thedas it doesn't mean Fenris was lying.

[Hibernating]

Tevinter is kind of an odd choice, though, given it's a society founded by Dumat.

Who is, very possibly, as close to Satan as exists in the franchise.

It's sort of like saying.

"You know why Mordor is horrible? The Damn Eastlanders!"

Tevinter wasn't founded by Dumat, it was either founded by Thalsian or Darinius, the lore conflicts itself over this issue.
Even if it was founded by Thalsian it wasn't founded by Dumat and Dumat wasn't ever described as evil, Dumat simply taught Thalsian blood Magic.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Its funny how terrible Templars are always good people, don't you think?

if naive means good sure considering he released bunch of abomnations and was working with them not much good for kirkwall.

[BloodKaiden]

The good of the many over the safety and freedoms of a few, its not a hard choice.

Depends on whether "you" are in the majority or the few. I can be 100% honest and make no apologies for it but if I was a mage in Thedas, screw the majority. I'm not a hero or willing to take one for the team from what I've seen in Thedas, sorry but I'd totally be a selfish bastard. Doesn't mean I'd go out of my way to murder people with magic...

[Willowhugger]

Tevinter wasn't founded by Dumat, it was either founded by Thalsian or Darinius, the lore conflicts itself over this issue.
Even if it was founded by Thalsian it wasn't founded by Dumat and Dumat wasn't ever described as evil, Dumat simply taught Thalsian blood Magic.

 

Corypheus attempts to communicate with Dumat.

 

We also see mystical altars to him which have verifiable results.

 

It seems that Dumat wasn't a "absentee landlord."

 

Then again, I think he's probably the Elder One.

[Willowhugger]

Depends on whether "you" are in the majority or the few. I can be 100% honest and make no apologies for it but if I was a mage in Thedas, screw the majority. I'm not a hero or willing to take one for the team from what I've seen in Thedas, sorry but I'd totally be a selfish bastard. Doesn't mean I'd go out of my way to murder people with magic...

Also, I don't know who the hell he thinks is "not a hard choice."

The choice between freedom and security has been the ongoing struggle for humans since day one with people on both sides killing each other over it.

[TTTX]

Maybe.

I'm inclined to think a lot of Templars aren't against mages even if they're fighting against them.

The forums are not a good source on what the Templars and Mages themselves think.

I wouldn't be surprised if plenty of Templars want to make peace with mages.

 

And vice-versa.

 

It's just, well, that goes out the window once the Rift happens.

The war have been going on for some time when DA:I happens chances are Templars are running low on lyrium and tried of all the fighting at that and mages are probably tired of running and sleeping in tents all the time.

 

Not to mention there is all the casualties on both sides and those that aren't involved in the war probably have taken their toll on both sides mostly morally. Feks. we did see or hear a couple of templars killing a farmer because he was using one of his farming equipment which the mistook for a mage staff in one of the DA:I demo's.

[Willowhugger]

Given how every magister we've seen so far is completely evil i'd probably take Fenris at his word.

 

Let's not forget, Fenris was giving HIS account of the Tevinter HE saw. Even if Tevinter doesn't turn out to be the Mordor of Thedas it doesn't mean Fenris was lying.

 

Maevaris Tilani.

[TTTX]

Corypheus attempts to communicate with Dumat.

 

We also see mystical altars to him which have verifiable results.

 

It seems that Dumat wasn't a "absentee landlord."

 

Then again, I think he's probably the Elder One.

Or the Elder One have pretended to be Dumat.