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[SnakeCode]

They are, however, toted out to fight the Chantry's enemies whenever they are required.

They were requested (iirc) weren't they, not conscripted?

 

And they sent like twelve people.

[Willowhugger]

A lot of governments use conscription in times of need.  That still isn't slavery.

 

Combined with the Rite of Annulment, Tranquility, stealing their children, restricted movement, constant monitoring, the Harrowing, and the fact both the Tranquil as well as the Mages as weapons very clearly benefit the Chantry--it starts to look a wee bit more oppressive.

[DeityDi]

You're all saying this like the slavery is one and ultimate evil in the world and everything else isn't noteworthy. It's not a contest "who have it worse", both are disgusting.

[raging_monkey]

A lot of governments use conscription in times of need.  That still isn't slavery.

agreed but it doesnt mean its right.

[Master Warder Z_]

stealing their children

 

Into a life a lot better then most orphans.

[SnakeCode]

Combined with the Rite of Annulment, Tranquility, stealing their children, restricted movement, constant monitoring, the Harrowing, and the fact both the Tranquil as well as the Mages as weapons very clearly benefit the Chantry--it starts to look a wee bit more oppressive.

Still isn't slavery though.

[DeityDi]

Still isn't slavery though.

You sound just like Fenris. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

They were requested (iirc) weren't they, not conscripted?

 

And they sent like twelve people.

They were requested yes, with apparently even more mages volunteering to join the fighting. However the Templars thought that was an unnecesary security risk.

[raging_monkey]

You sound just like Fenris.

in fairness fenris was horribly abused and his perceptions were severly biased. Thinking kirkwall was fine

[DeityDi]

Exactly.

[Icy Magebane]

Combined with the Rite of Annulment, Tranquility, stealing their children, restricted movement, constant monitoring, the Harrowing, and the fact both the Tranquil as well as the Mages as weapons very clearly benefit the Chantry--it starts to look a wee bit more oppressive.

The only somewhat questionable thing on this list is the Rite of Annulment.  Everything else is in line with the need to quarantine and control mages so that abominations and maleficarum do not threaten the public.  There is no forced labor, and although violence against mages can occur, it is neither accepted or sanctioned by the Chantry.  The profits from goods produced by the Tranquil are used to pay for the mages' room and board, and military service is only a requirement in dire instances.  Keep in mind that commoners can also be forced into military service, so this is not exclusive to mages.  The Circle system has no connection to slavery, and even the oppressive nature of the Circle is arguable at best.

[SnakeCode]

You sound just like Fenris. 

Unlike most mages, Fenris was a slave and actually HAD been abused.

 

I find it funny how most pro mages write him off as a whiner whilst acting as though Anders had been through hell due to his spell in solitary confinement (after his TENTH escape attempt.)

[raging_monkey]

Exactly.

my point was that while biased he wasnt totally wrong.

[DeityDi]

Unlike most mages, Fenris was a slave and actually HAD been abused.

Yeah, yeah, "I hate you all, I was a slave!" I get it from the first time, thank you.

 

I find it funny how most pro mages write him off as a whiner

Well, I do not. I perfectly understand that he's incapable to overcome his pain and hatred but seriously, da f*ck? Does one evil and oppression excuse another? It's allright for him to be like that, but people here acting like 1 f-cking year of solitary was nothing are killing me. Both of them had been through hell.

 

my point was that while biased he wasnt totally wrong. 

My point was he's biased. 

I never said he was wrong.

[Master Warder Z_]

Point is, Mages stay locked up.

 

Every one from Tevinter dies, all the Qunari Die, Darkspawn die.

 

And we have a happy Thedas.

[TTTX]

Unlike most mages, Fenris was a slave and actually HAD been abused.

 

I find it funny how most pro mages write him off as a whiner whilst acting as though Anders had been through hell due to his spell in solitary confinement (after his TENTH escape attempt.)

True, it just get boring hearing about all the time, much like Anders whining.

 

Anders only escaped 7 times, not 10 and being in solitary is actually pretty close to hell since you don't see or talk with any human beings through the entire time, it can drive you insane.

 

Also Fenris tales is a bit miss leading since the magisters only represent a small % of the population over all which isn't uncommon in dictatorship. 

 

in fairness fenris was horribly abused and his perceptions were severly biased. Thinking kirkwall was fine

Fenris was pretty close to being the very thing he hated so much.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Well, I do not. I perfectly understand that he's incapable to overcome his pain and hatred but seriously, da f*ck? Does one evil and oppression excuse another? It's allright for him to be like that, but people here acting like 1 f-cking year of solitary was nothing are killing me. Both of them had been through hell.

One year of solitary doesn't really come close to half a lifetime of being someones sex slave/bodyguard/assassin/gladiator/warrior/generick slave. Yes solitary can be hard on the psyche (it is considered torture in our modern world), but it isn't like Anders was punished unduely and cruely. He had attempted to escape SEVEN times before, and only after the seventh attempt, did they actually severely punish him... Anders had it pretty good actually.. Comparatively..

[rigron]

Combined with the Rite of Annulment, Tranquility, stealing their children, restricted movement, constant monitoring, the Harrowing, and the fact both the Tranquil as well as the Mages as weapons very clearly benefit the Chantry--it starts to look a wee bit more oppressive.

And you are forgetting the banning from having a normal life, loving someone, getting married and/or having children.

 

But no, mages are not opressed in Thedas! Of course not! xD

[RobRam10]

Point is, Mages stay locked up.

 

Every one from Tevinter dies, all the Qunari Die, Darkspawn die.

 

And we have a happy Thedas.

It will never happend.

[Icy Magebane]

Point is, Mages stay locked up.

 

Every one from Tevinter dies, all the Qunari Die, Darkspawn die.

 

And we have a happy Thedas.

Make that everyone except the Tevinters' slaves and I'm on board.

[Master Warder Z_]

It will never happend.

 

No, but its a nice thought.

 

Besides, only Slavers, Heathens and death cultists don't want that.

[RobRam10]

its a terrible thought.

 

Besides, only the true masters of this world don't want that.

[thetinyevil]

In a Veil-safe environment, non mages can't be possessed or demons can't get out of the Veil.
Though I don't recall if demons don't go for non mages because they can't or because the mages' presence makes them disregard the rest of the mortals.

If I remember correctly it was described as Mages are brighter in the Fade and so attacked spirits and demons more that mundane. 

Which doesn't mean they are invisible to fade creatures just not as attractive. So it isn't impossible for a demon to use a mundane to get into the world, which would be easier because they don't think they can be possessed and wouldn't know how to protect themselves.

[DeityDi]

One year of solitary doesn't really come close to half a lifetime of being someones sex slave/bodyguard/assassin/gladiator/warrior/generick slave. Yes solitary can be hard on the psyche (it is considered torture in our modern world), but it isn't like Anders was punished unduely and cruely. He had attempted to escape SEVEN times before, and only after the seventh attempt, did they actually severely punish him... Anders had it pretty good actually.. Comparatively..

Here we go again. It's not a contest. You can't just tell people their pain is nothing because "omg, I had it worse!" 

It wasn't a punishment really. They thought he will go crazy, make a deal and so then they could've kill him because Greagoir and Irving were decent enough and wouldn't let it happen since Anders passed his harrowing already.

Also, he escaped, but so what? It's not like he was trying to kill someone or even hurt the templars in the process. Escaping was his only crime.

 

You should remember then that Fenris also brought it upon himself. Now I'm not saying that his actions weren't generous or his goal wasn't noble, but it's a fact. 

[Master Warder Z_]

 

Besides, only the true masters of this world don't want that.

 

I didn't want that garbage attached to my post.

 

Beyond that, that's a joke if i ever heard one.

 

The Qunari? They will never have Thedas.

 

And The Imperium? Its decaying ghost and nothing more.

 

Darkspawn? They have no desires for empire.