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[Br3admax]

Thin Veil? Unconscious summoning?

None of those people had problems with a thin Veil before the demons arrived. And aside from the orphanage, none did after. 

[TTTX]

Thin Veil? Unconscious summoning?

The girl in Asunder Cole kills can do fireballs without formal training.

I don't see Demon summoning as any different.

 

Which is, admittedly, an argument for training everyone.

According to Jawen, Connor couldn't even do the simplest of spells and he could have accidentally summoned the demon in the fade which was where the deal was made it's one the reasons why we can take care of the demon in the fade and free the boy.

[Willowhugger]

And I think it's unlikely to the point of being nearly impossible.  So far I've heard of one non-mage being possessed by a pride demon and there is no information on how it happened.  You did say that it was easier for demons to possess non-mages than mages, yes?

Well the thing is that the Veil is thin in an awfully large number of places.

The Brecilian Forest, for instance, is not a small chunk of land.

If demons can possess normal people in these places then, honestly, the threat posed by Mages is less than "Demons are dangerous" as a whole.

 

Also, mages know more about demons than most and would need their expertise to deal with them.

[Master Warder Z_]

Alienage Orphanage? Olivia? Meredith's sister? Children don't need magical knowledge to summon demons. 

 

The Veil was sundered, Kirkwall, and Kirkwall.

 

[Hellion Rex]

Thin Veil? Unconscious summoning?

The girl in Asunder Cole kills can do fireballs without formal training.

I don't see Demon summoning as any different.

Which is, admittedly, an argument for training everyone.

David Gaider confirmed with Solas that Hedge Mages are entirely capable of making their own spells with practice and willpower.

False. Solas is not a hedge mage at all.

[Willowhugger]

False. Solas is not a hedge mage at all.

 

I thought that was his entire thing that he's not a Circle or Dalish mage.

[Icy Magebane]

Well the thing is that the Veil is thin in an awfully large number of places.

The Brecilian Forest, for instance, is not a small chunk of land.

If demons can possess normal people in these places then, honestly, the threat posed by Mages is less than "Demons are dangerous" as a whole.

 

Also, mages know more about demons than most and would need their expertise to deal with them.

Not really, since all mages are susceptible to demonic possession whenever they enter the Fade.  Only through a very specific set of circumstances does the Veil become thin, and only when demons physically walk the mortal realm can they effect non-mages in any way.

[Master Warder Z_]

Well the thing is that the Veil is thin in an awfully large number of places.

 

And they still tend to flock to mages even in those areas.

[Br3admax]

The Veil was sundered, Kirkwall, and Kirkwall.

 

1. By the demons

2. Meredith didn't live in Kirkwall, if she lived in the countryside

3. The Veil is thinner in Kirkwall, not paper thin.  

[Hellion Rex]

I thought that was his entire thing that he's not a Circle or Dalish mage.

Yes, but he is a full mage, not a hedge mage. Self taught, yes, but not stunted magically like hedge mages.

[Willowhugger]

Not really, since all mages are susceptible to demonic possession whenever they enter the Fade.  Only through a very specific set of circumstances does the Veil become thin, and only when demons physically walk the mortal realm can they effect non-mages in any way.

 

I'm just saying the trees are trying to kill me.

[Willowhugger]

Yes, but he is a full mage, not a hedge mage. Self taught, yes, but not stunted magically like hedge mages.

 

I think Solas' thing is going to be showing Vivienne that Hedge Mages are just as powerful as regular ones.

And humiliate her that way since he knows more about the Spirit World than her.

[Master Warder Z_]

1. By the demons

2. Meredith didn't live in Kirkwall, if she lived in the countryside

3. The Veil is thinner in Kirkwall, not paper thin.  

 

1.By the violence of the slaughter done there during the purge, not demons, also there was the whole cabal of blood mages rumor that drew the templar there in the first place, that likely had a grain of truth to it considering the abominations.

 

2. It wasn't stated where she lived, she however was a native to Kirkwall.

 

3. Uh...I'd argue its thinner then rice paper but that's me.

[Lulupab]

I dunno... guns are pretty powerful.  They could be used by knights and don't require the dwarves and the lyrium trade to fucntion...

There is no evidence of Qunari using that powder as guns with ground units. Either bombs or cannons in ships. I think its too explosive and dangerous to be able to used as explosion to launch bullets.

[lordsaren101]

Mages all the way. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Yes, but he is a full mage, not a hedge mage. Self taught, yes, but not stunted magically like hedge mages.

 

The term hedge mage applies to all that not trained by the circle

 

Bloody bald apostate.

[rigron]

If I remember correctly it was described as Mages are brighter in the Fade and so attacked spirits and demons more that mundane. 

Which doesn't mean they are invisible to fade creatures just not as attractive. So it isn't impossible for a demon to use a mundane to get into the world, which would be easier because they don't think they can be possessed and wouldn't know how to protect themselves.

I think I recall they saying that normal people (non mages) see the Veil when they are dreaming, but mages are able to touch it when they are dreaming, so that´s why demons are naturally attracted to them. That and the magical powers making mages way more powerful vessels than non mages of course.

[Willowhugger]

The term hedge mage applies to all that not trained by the circle

 

Bloody bald apostate.

If you think about it, it kind of makes the Circle look like a bunch of putzes if all their gigantic piles of book and decades of apprenticeship aren't any better than a literal guy who lives in the woods.

[Icy Magebane]

There is no evidence of Qunari using that powder as guns with ground units. Either bombs or cannons in ships. I think its too explosive and dangerous to be able to used as explosion to launch bullets.

I'm just saying that it has more applications than replacing fire magic, etc... if they followed Earth's example on Thedas and used gunpowder to make... guns... then normal soldiers would have a serious edge in battle that might even put them above mages.  I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be weaponized and refined over the years if humans had access to it...

 

edit:  Unless gatlock (sp) is too chemically dissimilar from normal gunpowder, that is...

[Br3admax]

1.By the violence of the slaughter done there during the purge, not demons, also there was the whole cabal of blood mages rumor that drew the templar there in the first place, that likely had a grain of truth to it considering the abominations.

 

There aren't enough elves in the entire alienage, let alone enough in the Orphanage, to sunder the Veil. Cheesecake already gave evidence for how a demon spoke to a child he let the demon in, and the codex entry for abominations state that they make more. 

 

 

 

2. It wasn't stated where she lived, she however was a native to Kirkwall.

She said her sister killed along the countryside, so she probably wasn't in the city proper. No way she was an abomination in a major city-state and killed only 70 people. 

 

 

 

3. Uh...I'd argue its thinner then rice paper but that's me.

It's just you. Hawke/Anders/Merrill speak of where the Veil is super thin. 

[Master Warder Z_]

If you think about it, it kind of makes the Circle look like a bunch of putzes if all their gigantic piles of book and decades of apprenticeship aren't any better than a literal guy who lives in the woods.

 

Not really?

 

Because it isn't better.

[Hellion Rex]

The term hedge mage applies to all that not trained by the circle

 

Bloody bald apostate.

According to Gaider's interview with Lady Insanity, that's not necessarily true.

 

@10:56

 

 

(i.e, Solas is a full mage who Vivienne is backwater hick.

[The Baconer]

I dunno... guns are pretty powerful.  They could be used by knights and don't require the dwarves and the lyrium trade to fucntion...

 

If the recipe for the gunpowder is acquired. An enchantment could replace this, but would probably be very expensive. At the same time, a weapon of this design would be able to fire more quickly, one would carry around less weight in ammunition (instead of packing+powder+projectile, it would be just projectile+maybe a packing material), they wouldn't require the storage of explosive material (assuming the enchantments aren't made on-site), would be potentially less prone to malfunction due to misfire or wet powder or what have you etc.

 

Of course, a mage would be able to use such a firearm without needing an enchantment. All things considered, the development of firearms might be a greater boon to mages than mundanes.

[Master Warder Z_]

There aren't enough elves in the entire alienage, let alone enough in the Orphanage, to sunder the Veil. Cheesecake already gave evidence for how a demon spoke to a child he let the demon in, and the codex entry for abominations state that they make more. 

 

Where was such stated?

 

 

She said her sister killed along the countryside, so she probably wasn't in the city proper. No way she was an abomination in a major city-state and killed only 70 people. 

 

The point being that the veil in Kirkwall and from what we gather through the history of the free marches, the entire province has a rather thin veil.

 

 

It's just you. Hawke/Anders/Merrill speak of where the Veil is super thin. 

 

Codexes admit the veil is thin in kirkwall, you can argue to the degree of it, but that doesn't change that it is.

[RustyW]

those are all true but people will always fall into extremes or middle grounds which breeds conflict

Will be hard for a new person like me to make a informed decision then, the divide here in this thread is amazing to read.

Decisions, decisions.

I guess Solas and my mages would not be happy if I went Templars.

Hmm