Wait... So you judge ALL Templars by the actions of a few? That is about as dumb as judging all mages by the example of all Blood Mages in Kirkwall... Especially consdiering we have examples of Templars distinctly NOT hating mages..
Besides Bethany and Hawke, I don't think we met a single mage that wasn't either a blood mage or an abomination.
Malcolm showed up for five seconds tops, and even he was forced into being one.
I'm seeing more evil mages than Templars.
I'm not sure where you saw me disagreeing with any of that.
I didn't. I was trying to add on to what you said.
why do i always forget that he's tough but fair i mean i read the book 6xLambert wanted peace, he just didn't want the mages to breach containment. He also didn't care for the divine killing his men, betraying both his and the templar order and...etc.
people just like to demonize templars. Kirkwallers were crazy not the best rep for any groupWait... So you judge ALL Templars by the actions of a few? That is about as dumb as judging all mages by the example of all Blood Mages in Kirkwall... Especially consdiering we have examples of Templars distinctly NOT hating mages..
I'm seeing more evil mages than Templars.
Scary isn't it <.<
Wait... So you judge ALL Templars by the actions of a few? That is about as dumb as judging all mages by the example of all Blood Mages in Kirkwall... Especially consdiering we have examples of Templars distinctly NOT hating mages..
You call all mages blood mages and abominations in the making. So what the difference with me calling all Templars mage hates who want them all dead?
Besides Bethany and Hawke, I don't think we met a single mage that wasn't either a blood mage or an abomination.
Malcolm showed up for five seconds tops, and even he was forced into being one.
I'm seeing more evil mages than Templars.
You see all mages no matter what as evil. So I don't care what you say. There are more evil templars than mages.
both have faults elthina says this choosing one side to blame only continues the cycleYou see all mages no matter what as evil. So I don't care what you say. There are more evil templars than mages.
You see all mages no matter what as evil. So I don't care what you say. There are more evil templars than mages.
The irony in this is that I've played only one none mage in the entire time of me owning both Dragon Age games.
>there are more evil templars than mages
>nah examples aren't important
no reals only feels
both have faults elthina says this choosing one side to blame only continues the cycle
Both sides do have faults but only one is systematically abused and killed for being born. And Elthina isn't a good example to use. She just sat on her ass for years doing nothing, she could have summoned the Seekers to check out the rumors of abuse. She could have replaced Meredith. But she did nothing and look what happened.
Both sides do have faults but only one is systematically abused and killed for being born. And Elthina isn't a good example to use. She just sat on her ass for years doing nothing, she could have summoned the Seekers to check out the rumors of abuse. She could have replaced Meredith. But she did nothing and look what happened.
A mage blew up the Chantry. Darn. Meredith strikes again.
You call all mages blood mages and abominations in the making. So what the difference with me calling all Templars mage hates who want them all dead?
Dafuq? 
No I don't... I call all mages potential Abominations, because they ARE. It is literally the threat that all mages constantly have to live with. To ignore it, is irresponsible, not only to yourself but to society itself. Blood Magic is something I abhor, but I don't suspect any mage of picking it up out of hand, any more than I would suspect every living human being to be a criminal (read: I don't).
So the difference is that you are making wild baseless accusations, and I am stating actual credible threats.
If choosing the Templars means getting rid of magic altogether then I wouldn't side with them but if it's just a matter of choice, then I'll go with them. Overall I would like to not pick either and settle things my own way .
You see all mages no matter what as evil. So I don't care what you say. There are more evil templars than mages.
Errm.....
If you were arguing that more templars can be held accountable for their fellows actions because they are part of a military order most join voluntarily and that there is a clear chain-of-command, so accountability can be thust on the superiors for the actions of their subordinates, and thus more templars may be guilty overall, that would be one thing.
Saying all templars are worse than mages, who do not have that chain-of-command that the templars do, is quite another.
Fact is, in Kirkwall, many mages, and most that we met, did go bad, but the templars in Kirkwall were just as bad. Ferelden is better represented as we could play the mage origin and see what it was like in the Circle, get to know good templars like Gregoire, and good mages like Irving, the fools and idiots of both sides (Jowan and Carrol) as well as the negative affects (Uldred for mages, Kaleii for how templars can damage the self-esteem of mages to the point of feeling completely worthless and worthy of death simply for existing.)
I hold the mages in Kirkwall less responsible as I'm pretty sure I killed most of the blood mages by the time Thrask died with his rebellion against Meredith, and that the Circle was being Annulled for something it didn't have anything to do with, but there were some really bad eggs among them. Also among the templars of Kirkwall as well.
It's better to use all the books, Asunder being a prominent case, as well as the positive and the negative examples of both games, before we jump to conclusions.
A mage blew up the Chantry. Darn. Meredith strikes again.
An apostate who is unaffiliated with the Circle blew up the Chantry, and the Circle is killed to the last woman and child. Darn, Meredith is so reasonable in choosing the right people to punish.
her leash on merideth was broken, if she took a side it wouldve cause this to escalte further and its common knowledge that kirkwall was a extreme case for both so what we see as abuse it MAY have just been crackdowns(not counting karras and alrik)Both sides do have faults but only one is systematically abused and killed for being born. And Elthina isn't a good example to use. She just sat on her ass for years doing nothing, she could have summoned the Seekers to check out the rumors of abuse. She could have replaced Meredith. But she did nothing and look what happened.
her leash on merideth was broken, if she took a side it wouldve cause this to escalte further and its common knowledge that kirkwall was a extreme case for both so what we see as abuse it MAY have just been crackdowns(not counting karras and alrik)
Elthina could have called in the Seekers, and Meredith wouldn't have a choice any more.
Like it or hate it, doing something is still better than doing nothing and hoping things get better.
An apostate who is unaffiliated with the Circle blew up the Chantry, and the Circle is killed to the last woman and child. Darn, Meredith is so reasonable in choosing the right people to punish.
Not only are we talking about mages in general, not the Circle, the entire Circle wasn't annulled. Meredith dies before that happens either way.
The mages in Kirkwall, most of them were driven insane. Really if I was surrounded by people who could and would abuse me at their whim or kill me because the want to I would go nuts to. Hell if I thought I was going to die I would do anything to take as mean of my abusers with me as possible.
Not only are we talking about mages in general, not the Circle, the entire Circle wasn't annulled. Meredith dies before that happens either way.
It is annulled entirely if you side with her.
And Gaider has said in the old Forum that the very act of calling for it when they weren't responsible for the act of blowing up the Chantry would have had Meredith reporting directly to the Divine herself.
Gaider said that what Meredith did was technically legal since Elthina and the Revered Mothers were dead, but it was still unjustifiable.
If you side with the templars she dies after all the mages are dead.
Elthina could have called in the Seekers, and Meredith wouldn't have a choice any more.
Like it or hate it, doing something is still better than doing nothing and hoping things get better.
Everyone of importance knew Kirkwall was going to hell.
Elthina deserves no more blame than the Divine or the Seekers themselves.
Everyone of importance knew Kirkwall was going to hell.
Elthina deserves no more blame than the Divine or the Seekers themselves.
Also true, and Lambert sent no one. The Divine sent Leliana, who immediately advised Elthina to leave, and Elthina chose not to, feeling secure in her position and that no one would attack her because of it.
There is a lot of blame to share.
Elthina could have called in the Seekers, and Meredith wouldn't have a choice any more.
Like it or hate it, doing something is still better than doing nothing and hoping things get better.
Meredith wasn't doing anything illegal, technically. So the Seekers would have come up with a whole lot of nothing on the Templars, and a whole lot of dirt on the mages in Kirkwall in general (resolutionists, underground, blood mages galore).
It is annulled entirely if you side with her.
And Gaider has said in the old Forum that the very act of calling for it when they weren't responsible for the act of blowing up the Chantry would have had Meredith reporting directly to the Divine herself.
Gaider said that what Meredith did was technically legal since Elthina and the Revered Mothers were dead, but it was still unjustifiable.
If you side with the templars she dies after all the mages are dead.
1. I sided with her. Wasn't annulled. The some of the mages get away to spread the word. You also don't have to actually let her kill everyone.
2. That really doesn't change my point. Meredith being crazy is irrelevant.
3. Legality is the only justification needed.
4. Nope. Go play again.
Meredith wasn't doing anything illegal, technically. So the Seekers would have come up with a whole lot of nothing on the Templars, and a whole lot of dirt on the mages in Kirkwall in general (resolutionists, underground, blood mages galore).
Yeah torture, illegally making Harrowed mages tranquil, doing nothing as her templars rape the mages. Yeah nothing illegal unless you are saying all those things are not illegal. Is that what you are saying because they are mages all the things done to them was okay and they deserved it? Is that what you are saying?
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