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[Icy Magebane]

Okay. So you 'fix' the circle. Mages are indiscriminately herded into circle again. Casualties related to the arcane go down. The 'innocent' mages get unsatisfied again. Another rebellion followed by war. A lot of people die from it. The cycle continues. 

There could be improvements to the Circle without getting rid of the old system... more Seeker involvement in policing the Templars would be a great start.  I also don't see a problem with letting mages out of the Circle a bit more frequently and allowing for more visits from their families... the Circle doesn't need to be as strict as it used to, but I think it needs to be rebuilt.

[Master Warder Z_]

Is this your opinion or your interpretation of the rationale underlying the Chantry's policy?

 

That last sentence would make my main Inquisitor mark its speaker for assassination.

 

The Chantry ultimately was a bit soft on it, it allowed them positions at court, it gave them freedom via royal boons and it allowed all that garbage, special cases pollute the system.

 

If i had my way, no mages would leave the tower besides on circle, chantry business short of them joining the Wardens.

 

Beyond that? Mages cannot be trusted with power, they corrupt every thing they touch, they cannot be trusted not to give into their own nature, they can struggle against it, and a few even end up winning, those are just honestly good people though.

 

Can there be a mage with good intentions? Yes, Can there be mages they are also good people? Yes, But am i to support a notion that has been proven false, time and time again?

 

How can i?

[Master Warder Z_]

Feynriel to good use....

 

He was already put to good use.

 

He haggles over the price of wands.

[raging_monkey]

They would never enter politics, or an agreement with another Nation, that's the entire point of the circle. It removes the taint of mage influence from the world of man.

you want taint lets hangout in the deep roads lol i kid my friend

But really the common argument that mage self-rule= tevinter is shoddy imo, thats there culture magic is life for them(literally will collapse) we dont know what will happen if they gained self-rule if they come from the white chantry. For all we know it might be profitable
See a mage ship em to mageland. You get circle they get freedom

[Icy Magebane]

He was already put to good use.

 

He haggles over the price of wands.

Hm... that made me lol... I think I may be going to Hell. 

[SnakeCode]

That's a gross exaggeration. Xil said she wouldn't kill the templars who surrendered, and this was in a discussion that focused on the Mage-Templar War. And she was advocating winning the war against the templars; defeating them and dismantling the Order isn't akin to genocide.

It isn't an exaggeration at all, and technically it still is genocide, as the templars are a part of a religious group, but i'm not going to carry on with this discussion. I don't feel comfortable discussing someone who isn't here to defend their own statements.

[The Baconer]

Every self-contained society (such as a nation) ultimately polices itself. If mages are to be members of a community of mages and non-mages, they should be policed by the same institution as everyone else (add a special task force to it for the extra dangers of magic).

 

Which is why the Seekers should (will) begin recruiting mages post-crisis.

[Master Warder Z_]

Hm... that made me lol... I think I may be going to Hell. 

 

Why? Because it made you laugh?

 

Don't be silly.

 

Beyond that, Tranquil are useful and Dreamers just need to die.

 

Like Dragons.

 

And Darkspawn.

 

And Qunari.

 

And Tevinters.

[Beerfish]

No I don't. Not as far as segregating mages from the mundane populace. And I wouldn't argue for it either. Templar outposts similar to police precincts come to mind though.

Not nearly good enough.  One Connor practically wiped out a whole town and castle with fighting capable people and a small band of templars present.

 

This is one reason why I am quite pro templar and pro circle.  Ardent anti templar people are always pretty low on details when asked how the mages can be given lots of freedom.  Not to mention the number of mages who are pro circle or who at least understand why circles are as they are down played.  People act as if all mages are Anders like or the chick with red hair in Asunder.  Freeeedommmm!!!!

[prosthetic soul]

As much as I hate Anders and what he did to start this whole mess....No one can side with the Templars and have the moral high ground.  Here's all the argument you need:

 

Spoiler

Check and mate. 

 

[LobselVith8]

It isn't an exaggeration at all, and technically it still is genocide, as the templars are a part of a religious group, but i'm not going to carry on with this discussion. I don't feel comfortable discussing someone who isn't here to defend their own statements.

 

No, killing armed and armored soldiers in self-defense isn't genocide (particularly in the context of defending mages who would otherwise be killed, as Xil argued), and neither is defeating and dismantling the Templar Order in the Mage-Templar War.

[raging_monkey]

Qouting machine doesnt help our cause

[Hellion Rex]

He was already put to good use.

He haggles over the price of wands.

Jerk.

[prosthetic soul]

Qouting machine doesnt help our cause

Yes it does.  It's ****ing Optimus Prime!

[Master Warder Z_]

No, killing armed and armored soldiers in self-defense isn't genocide

 

Last time i checked, killing people systemically is Genocide regardless of their ability to defend themselves.

 

Just ask the Kurds, They fought with the Iraqi military enough to tell you that ability to inflict casualties upon those killing you by the thousand isn't much of a consolation.

[Hellion Rex]

Which is why the Seekers should (will) begin recruiting mages post-crisis.

Amen.

[raging_monkey]

Jerk.

yes resort name calling so productive lol lets be civil lol

[SnakeCode]

No, killing armed and armored soldiers in self-defense isn't genocide (particularly in the context of defending mages who would otherwise be killed, as Xil argued), and neither is defeating and dismantling the Templar Order in the Mage-Templar War.

A war (in which the mages started, which makes them the aggressors) isn't self defence. Again, let's drop this, we aren't going to agree.

[Icy Magebane]

No, killing armed and armored soldiers in self-defense isn't genocide (particularly in the context of defending mages who would otherwise be killed, as Xil argued), and neither is defeating and dismantling the Templar Order in the Mage-Templar War.

What you are describing isn't genocide, but without Xil here or at least a link to her posts to put this in context, there is little that can be gained by debating this.  How about if we wait for Xil to return and let her argue her own points, unless you'd like to make some similar statement and defend that?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

As much as I hate Anders and what he did to start this whole mess....No one can side with the Templars and have the moral high ground.  Here's all the argument you need:

 

Spoiler

Check and mate. 

If he'd tried to apply that to Typhoid Mary, Megatron would have been the least of his worries.

[Master Warder Z_]

As much as I hate Anders and what he did to start this whole mess....No one can side with the Templars and have the moral high ground.  Here's all the argument you need:

 

Spoiler

Check and mate. 

 

You think i care what a bunch of self righteous machines think?

 

They are rebelling against their lawful rulers, because of a differing political stance.

 

How does that make them superior?

[Hellion Rex]

yes resort name calling so productive lol lets be civil lol

Relax, just screwing with Z. We've had this debate many, many times.

[Master Warder Z_]

Which is why the Seekers should (will) begin recruiting mages post-crisis.

 

I strongly doubt it.

[Beerfish]

As much as I hate Anders and what he did to start this whole mess....No one can side with the Templars and have the moral high ground.  Here's all the argument you need:

 

Spoiler

Check and mate. 

I agree, the freedom of 100 peasants in a village or 100 people in a town to live it trumps a mage who becomes an abomination and kills them all.  100 > 1  O.P. loses

[Icy Magebane]

Which is why the Seekers should (will) begin recruiting mages post-crisis.

I'm not sure how effective mage Seekers would be if their job is to arrest Templars...