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[MisterJB]

So I guess the Scottish are about to declare war on the English next week?

 

The English haven't made it absolutely clear that a secession would mean war. The Templars did, the mages accepted it.
 

[Mistic]

Normals and mages do not have any cultural or ethnic ties connecting each other; since, even in societies where mages are freed, they always form their own social class separate from their normal peers.

 

Except the Dalish. Truth be told, it's impossible to create a separated social class when the society itself (each Dalish tribe) amounts to a hundred individuals and it can't be used to solve the Circles' problems, I'm afraid, since we are talking about mages living in urban populations, not small bands of nomads.

[raging_monkey]

While dalish (overall) function with their system its horrible for humans cause humans want more. The elf mages might go dalish but who knows

[Mistic]

While dalish (overall) function with their system its horrible for humans cause humans want more. The elf mages might go dalish but who knows

 

That's because humans are more and most of them are civilians, not trained hunters that can put an arrow through a mage's skull from afar if needed. The same system wouldn't work for city elves or Qunari.

 

However, if the correct conditions are met, not only works, but we have another case to prove it: the Grey Wardens. Of course, the same problem appears: Grey Wardens are few, tend to live isolated and all of them are killing machines even if they are not mages, so policing their own shouldn't give them much trouble (there will be always trouble, mind you; the Circles themselves are made to prove their worth when there is trouble, after all), but you can't turn a large percentage of normal population into Grey Wardens.

[wcholcombe]

While dalish (overall) function with their system its horrible for humans cause humans want more. The elf mages might go dalish but who knows

Dalish are just as capable of wanting more.  The difference is more in the numbers game. Small numbers of dalish its easier to keep an eye on each other and such, especially in a clan role.

 

A large human city with people able to stay out of site and be recluses presents another problem entirely.

 

Lob will hate me for saying this, but I would love to encounter a dalish clan whose Keeper became an abomination--and I don't mean the wierd way that it occurred in DA2- I mean where the keeper is possessed and the survivors of said clan are involved in hunting said abomination down.

[raging_monkey]

That's because humans are more and most of them are civilians, not trained hunters that can put an arrow through a mage's skull from afar if needed. The same system wouldn't work for city elves or Qunari. However, if the correct conditions are met, not only works, but we have another case to prove it: the Grey Wardens. Of course, the same problem appears: Grey Wardens are few, tend to live isolated and all of them are killing machines even if they are not mages, so policing their own shouldn't give them much trouble (there will be always trouble, mind you; the Circles themselves are made to prove their worth when there is trouble, after all), but you can't turn a large percentage of normal population into Grey Wardens.

perhaps we should take example of the wardens we go to the current system(liked the current system)

Dalish are just as capable of wanting more.  The difference is more in the numbers game. Small numbers of dalish its easier to keep an eye on each other and such, especially in a clan role. A large human city with people able to stay out of site and be recluses presents another problem entirely. Lob will hate me for saying this, but I would love to encounter a dalish clan whose Keeper became an abomination--and I don't mean the wierd way that it occurred in DA2- I mean where the keeper is possessed and the survivors of said clan are involved in hunting said abomination down.

it would even things out

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Lob will hate me for saying this, but I would love to encounter a dalish clan whose Keeper became an abomination--and I don't mean the wierd way that it occurred in DA2- I mean where the keeper is possessed and the survivors of said clan are involved in hunting said abomination down.

He'd probably appreciate it. It'd be the best (possibly only) example of the Dalish being able to handle corrupted magic users yet. Zathrian and Marethari, arguably even Merrill, are examples of how the Dalish system of magic use is dangerous. Showing that they actually have a backup plan would make their system look far less flawed.

[TheKomandorShepard]

More psycho mages and abomnations?

Gosh and peoples wonder that i want put them down...

 

From what i remember dalish handle mages terribly as pretty much almost every clan we saw had mage that was making problems and they did nothing about it.

[wcholcombe]

He'd probably appreciate it. It'd be the best (possibly only) example of the Dalish being able to handle corrupted magic users yet. Zathrian and Marethari, arguably even Merrill, are examples of how the Dalish system of magic use is dangerous. Showing that they actually have a backup plan would make their system look far less flawed.

Nah, I was thinking he would hate me for saying it more because it would mean another Dalish clan was decimated/wiped out.

[Master Warder Z_]

Nah, I was thinking he would hate me for saying it more because it would mean another Dalish clan was decimated/wiped out.

 

They do seem to be dropping like flies don't they.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

They do seem to be dropping like flies don't they.

... Does the Elven Inquisitor's clan get wiped out while the future Inquisitor is spying on the conference?

[Master Warder Z_]

... Does the Elven Inquisitor's clan get wiped out while the future Inquisitor is spying on the conference?

 

That would be so fitting for dragon age.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I think we need to go worse for both sides in this game. Make them so bad that they end up looping around to having the same vices.

I want a mage who is forcibly recruiting reluctant or pacifist mages into fighting, and tranquilling those who don't obey them. I want a templar to, of their own accord, take a deal with a demon and become the equivalent of a chaos space marine. I want it shown that these two groups aren't so different, and that those who go to the furthest margins often end up looking more like those they profess to hate.

And I want the sane and the rational in this game, but seeing as we already got Cullen and Vivienne to fill that role, I think it's in pretty good shape on that front.

[wcholcombe]

... Does the Elven Inquisitor's clan get wiped out while the future Inquisitor is spying on the conference?

No, I believe they are still in the Free Marches.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I think we need to go worse for both sides in this game. Make them so bad that they end up looping around to having the same vices.

That happened. People are still complaining about it.

[The Baconer]

I think we need to go worse for both sides in this game. Make them so bad that they end up looping around to having the same vices.

 

If we're reduced to picking one or the other, please no.

[Master Warder Z_]

No, I believe they are still in the Free Marches.

 

Lame!

[raging_monkey]

If we're reduced to picking one or the other, please no.

from agruements made we will have to(not thrilled) but we have go back to the old system(templars)with harsher rescritions or a new period of mage freedom where it can go tevinter or self-rule. Alot of fans may not be pleased

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

from agruements made we will have to(not thrilled) but we have go back to the old system(templars)with harsher rescritions or a new period of mage freedom where it can go tevinter or self-rule. Alot of fans may not be pleased

I wouldn't be. Knowing that I get a choice about that limited is part of why I'm not buying DA2.

[raging_monkey]

I wouldn't be. Knowing that I get a choice about that limited is part of why I'm not buying DA2.

had id know DA2 would so polarizing i might have dodged it. Felt like everytime i made the fair right choice i ended up being a anarchist

[Cainhurst Crow]

If we're reduced to picking one or the other, please no.

The polarization needs to stop. The heavy handed way the issue is tackled in the games needs to stop. Everybody playing the victim card needs to stop. And I think the only way to do that is to sit down and show the players the price of faction extremism in a way that doesn't have templars as raving lunatics with no morals or sanity and mages as perpetual, professional victims using it as a mask for doing horrible things. Show everyone else being normal, and show how the extremes have ruined everything for everyone else.

Hopefully DAI will provide that.

[Master Warder Z_]

 

What i'm expecting at the conclusion of the mage templar war.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

*video snipped*

 

What i'm expecting at the conclusion of the mage templar war.

Don't worry, I'm sure the hot Antivan will handle the boring stuff for you. (Or maybe you can let Cullen or Leiliana handle the end of the war for you.)

 

(Is anyone else hoping Leiliana handles it by sneaking into each party's camp, killing the mage/templar leader's favorite pet, and leaving the head in the sleeping leader's bed?)

[Inprea]

from agruements made we will have to(not thrilled) but we have go back to the old system(templars)with harsher rescritions or a new period of mage freedom where it can go tevinter or self-rule. Alot of fans may not be pleased

 

I'm just eager to see what choice works out though I believe it should be more complex then this faction worked out and this one doesn't. It would also depend on how you manage the Inquisition. If you're a sociopath that does whatever it takes to get what you want it seems your soldier would be too. I believe a comparison has been made to the creation of the jedi order. It may be up to you if your soldiers are jedi or sith.

 

I'm going for jedi but without the restrictions on love and or sex.