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[dragonflight288]

I'd honestly prefer dragon meat.

 

I'd go for some nug. 

[The Elder King]

I expect things to more or less go back to normal.

I don't know. We can make mages win in the hinterlands.
I expect the war to end only in the region and not in the whole Thedas though.

[Osena109]

Mages need to be put to the sword

[dragonflight288]

We don't know wether or not there were Seekers in Kirkwall.

 

We do know that Seeker Cassandra had no clue what was going on when she interrogated Varric a few years later. If the Seekers were there and gathering information, then Cassandra was kept in the dark. But if she was kept in the dark and the Seekers had that information, why was the chantry investigating?

[Master Warder Z_]

I'd honestly prefer dragon meat.

 

You will likely have to pay out the ass for dragon meat.

 

Stuff's rare.

 

Like Dolphin.

[dragonflight288]

Mages need to be put to the sword

 

Nice lightsaber in your avatar. 

 

May the Force...er...magic from the Fade be with you. 

[Ghost]

Does anyone think perhaps instead of circles being sort of prisons for mages that they be turned into libraries/schools? A way for mages to learn to control their powers but not be bound to living a life in solitude.

[The Elder King]

You will likely have to pay out the ass for dragon meat.
 
Stuff's rare.
 
Like Dolphin.

Not really. I just have to kill some of them and have my men bring it back to a keep .

[The Baconer]

We do know that Seeker Cassandra had no clue what was going on when she interrogated Varric a few years later. If the Seekers were there and gathering information, then Cassandra was kept in the dark. But if she was kept in the dark and the Seekers had that information, why was the chantry investigating?

 

Not to mention she still seems confused after the interrogation: "So it was Meredith that provoked the Circle. She is to blame."

 

"Well, kind of, but it's not that... forget it. Sure."

 

ADVANCED SEEKER INVESTIGATION TECHNIQUES

[Master Warder Z_]

Not really. I just have to kill some of them and have my men bring it back to a keep .

 

Good luck finding your flying dolphin then.

[AshesEleven]

Does anyone think perhaps instead of circles being sort of prisons for mages that they be turned into libraries/schools? A way for mages to learn to control their powers but not be bound to living a life in solitude.

 

Best case scenario in my opinion.  You need some sort of institution for the mages to learn and be among their own kind.  There also needs to be some Templars there in case, though their roles should probably be a bit more limited.  

[EmperorSahlertz]

We do know that Seeker Cassandra had no clue what was going on when she interrogated Varric a few years later. If the Seekers were there and gathering information, then Cassandra was kept in the dark. But if she was kept in the dark and the Seekers had that information, why was the chantry investigating?

No. We know she had a DIFFERNET version of what had happened. Which is what happens when someone has to put all the pieces together through second-hand sources. From the perspective of everyone who didn't know about the Idol, it could very much seem like that Hawke was indeed to blame for it all.

But bottom line is: We do not know, wether or not there was a Seeker presence in Kirkwall.

[dragonflight288]

Does anyone think perhaps instead of circles being sort of prisons for mages that they be turned into libraries/schools? A way for mages to learn to control their powers but not be bound to living a life in solitude.

 

This idea is great in theory, but some of the more hardliners on the forums, not to mention the hardliners that would be in the in-game universe would say otherwise.

 

And Lambert does have a very good point in Asunder. The Chantry has preached and spread fear of mages and magic for so long that it's become ingrained into the culture of all nations following the White Chantry. Simply changing the rules of how Circle's operate will not change the perception of mages, and we know from Wynne that mages are killed by lynch mobs, oftentimes at discovery (meaning a child) for something they had nothing to do with because so great of fear of magic there is, and that not all mage children make it to Circle's because the fear is so great.

 

It's a great idea in theory and principle. Implementing it would be a nightmare. 

[Icy Magebane]

Does anyone think perhaps instead of circles being sort of prisons for mages that they be turned into libraries/schools? A way for mages to learn to control their powers but not be bound to living a life in solitude.

I've considered the idea of a mandatory period of instruction after which the mage is released and free to do what they want.  The only further sanctions I had in mind were providing a phylactery to the city guard (which would be heavily stocked with Templars) and alerting the authorities of any plans to move out of town in advance (this would not need approval, it's just a way for the city guard and Templars to know where all the mages are).  There was a bit more to it than that, but I guess that was the general idea... 

 

It might work, but to be honest I've started to wonder if it's even worth it to risk abominations turning up in crowded areas.  I mean, even if the Templars know how many mages are living in a city, the devastation could be catastrophic if a powerful abomination appeared... even with a swift response, the damage would be done.  Not just damage to the city, but damage to the reputation of mages among the commoners and nobility... so... I don't know... it's hard to say if that's worth it or not considering the risks.  It's something to consider at least.

[dragonflight288]

No. We know she had a DIFFERNET version of what had happened. Which is what happens when someone has to put all the pieces together through second-hand sources. From the perspective of everyone who didn't know about the Idol, it could very much seem like that Hawke was indeed to blame for it all.

But bottom line is: We do not know, wether or not there was a Seeker presence in Kirkwall.

 

She went in blaming Hawke for everything based on second-hand information. 

 

EDIT: She is in utter disbelief that Hawke gathered a motley crew for coin on an expedition into the deep roads, and was determined to believe he knew about the idol down there, and outright said that Hawke came to Kirkwall with the purpose of spreading subversion against the Chantry. 

 

She was acting on second-hand information, and had the Seekers been there, they would've known the story. And if they knew it and Cassandra didn't, then she was kept out of the loop for reasons unknown, and so too was the Divine.

 

So it's either she and Justinia V were kept out of the loop and had to do their own investigation starting off with second hand information, or she started from scratch and the Seekers didn't know what was going on. The first reeks of corruption, and the second reeks of incompetence. 

 

EDIT AGAIN: So, she knew about the idol even before we find it in the Deep Roads because she outright tells Varric that Hawke had to know what they would find down there. 

Modifié par dragonflight288, 10 septembre 2014 - 12:31 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

Does anyone think perhaps instead of circles being sort of prisons for mages that they be turned into libraries/schools? A way for mages to learn to control their powers but not be bound to living a life in solitude.

>Circles are prisons where no learning occurs.
>Mages live a life of solitude.

>Circle has a educational system and we see spells being taught in mage origin.
>Mages live together in communal living and are allowed to freely socialize with templars, chantry, and other mages.

This stuff. This stuff I'm quoting. That's the root of the problem.

People making **** up to make win the victimization dick/and or ****** measuring content.

[EmperorSahlertz]

She went in blaming Hawke for everything based on second-hand information. 

Uhm... No? Since she obviously KNEW that her version wasn't the truth... She went in there, and goaded Varric into telling his story.

[Hellion Rex]

Ah, Cassandra. I love her character.

[raging_monkey]

Im starting to think there is no peaceful solution to war

[dragonflight288]

Uhm... No? Since she obviously KNEW that her version wasn't the truth... She went in there, and goaded Varric into telling his story.

 

She outright says that Hawke had come to Kirkwall to spread subversion against the Chantry, he had to know what was in the Deep Roads before the expedition went ahead, she knew about the idol, and is completely shocked when Varric's version that she isn't calling B.S. on doesn't match her preconceived conceptions. 

 

I'd say she went in thinking what she thought was the truth, but didn't have all the holes filled, and a hard time accepting the fact that her second-hand information was wrong. 

[The Baconer]

Which means once again that our possibilities are:

 

Seekers did not have a presence

 

Or, the Seekers did have a presence, but were simply ineffectual.

[EmperorSahlertz]

She outright says that Hawke had come to Kirkwall to spread subversion against the Chantry, he had to know what was in the Deep Roads before the expedition went ahead, she knew about the idol, and is completely shocked when Varric's version that she isn't calling B.S. on doesn't match her preconceived conceptions. 

 

I'd say she went in thinking what she thought was the truth, but didn't have all the holes filled, and a hard time accepting the fact that her second-hand information was wrong. 

As I am saying, she knew her version of the stroy wasn't the whole truth. Otherwise she wouldn't be interrogating Varric in the first place. If she believed she already had all the pieces, what would she hope to get from Varric? Instead she goaded Varric into talking. The best way of getting a person like Varric to talk, is to make him believe that he knows something you don't. Make him believe he is holding all the cards, and then just wait till the sound of his own voice deafens out his own reason.

 

With that being said, she did not expect to hear the story she did. Everyone has their own preconceptions, and Cassandra probably did expect Hawke to have been the source of the problems, because let's be honest, that IS what it would look like for everyone at first glance. We as the players know otherwise, but that is also an unfair advantage.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Im starting to think there is no peaceful solution to war

There;s no mutually beneficial solution to war is the problem. A war involves one side winning and one side losing, and the terms of loss being set by the victor and agreed upon by the loser, willingly or unwillingly.

Then time patches things up to the reasonable degree, allowing most of those bearing seething wounds to become healed over scars, and while the memory and a bit of the bitterness remains, mostly life goes on and people end up living with each other peacefully, discovering that co-existence is better then war any time.

And then some assholes comes along and ruins everything by sparking another war. But between those bouts of fighting and bitterness, things are actually not to bad.

[raging_monkey]

Still a ****** plan