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[Steelcan]

You'd be willing to work with Tevinter mages? 

my distaste for the mages of white Thedas is only rivaled for my admiration of the Magisters of Tevinter

 

 

and my hatred of the dalish exceeds both

[dragonflight288]

my distaste for the mages of white Thedas is only rivaled for my admiration of the Magisters of Tevinter

 

 

and my hatred of the dalish exceeds both

 

Okay....

 

I don't get the hate for the Dalish. Being insulted by them and wanting to avoid them because of their attitude, I can at least understand, but outright hatred, I simply don't get. 

 

But let's not turn this into a dalish debate. This is a mages and templars thread, so even though I know we both disagree on it, let's at least try and keep it on topic.

 

Speaking of which, and out of curiosity, why do you admire the Tevinter magisters?

[Steelcan]

 

Speaking of which, and out of curiosity, why do you admire the Tevinter magisters?

They've survived everything Thedas has thrown at them, an elven empire, a rebellion led by non-other than the Bride of the Maker, Andraste herself, the crippling famine afterwards, blights, the qunari, the forces of White Thedas

 

and after all that they can still hold their heads high

 

plus being fantasy!Rome is always good for bonus points with me

[raging_monkey]

Okay.... I don't get the hate for the Dalish. Being insulted by them and wanting to avoid them because of their attitude, I can at least understand, but outright hatred, I simply don't get.  But let's not turn this into a dalish debate. This is a mages and templars thread, so even though I know we both disagree on it, let's at least try and keep it on topic. Speaking of which, and out of curiosity, why do you admire the Tevinter magisters?

probably cause they are the only society of magi respected and possbily feared. Tevienter is a might makes right society which is also loosly a meritocracy not unlike orlais your a slave its possible to get out of it and be a mage and depending how your you can be arguably begrudgingly respected even as a elf

[dragonflight288]

I can understand that. Especially since the codex entries make it clear that despite everything, Minrathous has never been sacked or pillaged.

[Voragoras]

tch its getting harder to be a moderate and i agree wholly but education doesnt get rid of intolerance and bigotry. It will always be "they can be abominationsor they will rise to be tevinters" again too much fear that is justifiable or not

 

There will be fear, yes, but it's fear born mostly out of scare-mongering and ignorance. Keeping mages imprisoned in a solitary confinement cage will only increase the danger, and the lack of any personal interaction with them will make the regular citizens of Thedas more afraid. Once they see mages as people, rather than as demon-beacons, I think some of that fear will evaporate.

 

Breaking down that barrier between what mages are rumoured to be and what they actually are will help.

[HiroVoid]

What happens when the village nearby is ravaged by a bunch of skeletons cause one of the local mages got possessed?

[Steelcan]

What happens when the village nearby is ravaged by a bunch of skeletons cause one of the local mages got possessed?

lynch mob most likely

[Master Warder Z_]

There will be fear, yes, but it's fear born mostly out of scare-mongering and ignorance. Keeping mages imprisoned in a solitary confinement cage will only increase the danger

 

No it won't?

 

It keeps another Imperium from forming.

[raging_monkey]

There will be fear, yes, but it's fear born mostly out of scare-mongering and ignorance. Keeping mages imprisoned in a solitary confinement cage will only increase the danger, and the lack of any personal interaction with them will make the regular citizens of Thedas more afraid. Once they see mages as people, rather than as demon-beacons, I think some of that fear will evaporate. Breaking down that barrier between what mages are rumoured to be and what they actually are will help.

you know what..... i like you i agree but it will have be done very slowly due possible hiccups like the odd abominnation

What happens when the village nearby is ravaged by a bunch of skeletons cause one of the local mages got possessed?

we keep templars in these communities and train militias in basic templar skills. Sort of like a PMC

[HiroVoid]

train militias in basic templar skills.

So we get the militia addicted to lyrium and spend more coin on buying the needed lyrium?

[Medhia_Nox]

@Raging_Monkey:  Who pays for the lyrium for all these templars? 

 

Now that you've let mages roam - the amount of templars you'll need to keep people safe will increase dramatically. 

 

I'm sure the dwarves are willing to supply - but who's picking up the tab for the Templars?  And why would the Chantry do it now?

[raging_monkey]

So we get the militia addicted to lyrium and spend more coin on buying the needed lyrium?

i know it sounds crazy but im trying to compromise. Do have a better idea hiro? I really would like to hear your opinion

[Voragoras]

No it won't?

 

It keeps another Imperium from forming.

 

In my original post, I noted the need for Templars, just with severe reforms, focusing more on education than on complete repression. Mages mostly stick with the current situation out of inertia, but pretty much all it took was Uldred to completely screw over Fereldan's Circle, and I doubt he would've found such a sympathetic ear if his words didn't strike a cord that others could relate to.

 

Think of any civilisation in human history. Hell, just think of zero tolerance. Backing citizens into a corner and systematically dehumanising them never works out - all it does is emphasise the problem, since people feel increasingly helpless and powerless, which gives them desperation they might not have otherwise had.

[raging_monkey]

@Raging_Monkey:  Who pays for the lyrium for all these templars?  Now that you've let mages roam - the amount of templars you'll need to keep people safe will increase dramatically.  I'm sure the dwarves are willing to supply - but who's picking up the tab for the Templars?  And why would the Chantry do it now?

who said it had to be the chantry. Personally i say ship all mages to island and say if you leave you submit to andraste's will which means tranquility or their circle. And just call me monkey using the full name is too formal

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

who said it had to be the chantry. Personally i say ship all mages to island and say if you leave you submit to andraste's will which means tranquility or their circle. And just call me monkey using the full name is too formal

That would have to be a large island. Also, for the mages to all be exiled and then left there without supervision might be a problem.

[Steelcan]

That would have to be a large island. Also, for the mages to all be exiled and then left there without supervision might be a problem.

I'd be like Lord of the Flies, but with more incinerations and demonic possessions

[raging_monkey]

That would have to be a large island. Also, for the mages to all be exiled and then left there without supervision might be a problem.

damn always forget to put that part assumed it was implied. Im a isolastist bit that doesnt i believe in unsupervision for a time, maybe for 4 generations

[raging_monkey]

I'd be like Lord of the Flies, but with more incinerations and demonic possessions

thats a rule met with death. Being possed is a no no usage of spirits for healing tolerated with scurtiny but allowed

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

damn always forget to put that part assumed it was implied. Im a isolastist bit that doesnt i believe in unsupervision for a time, maybe for 4 generations

With all the new mages, plus the fact that being pushed onto an island against their will and kept away from ordinary people would breed some resentment and an even greater feeling of being apart from society than the Circles already do, you'd need to have some supervision there even after that.

[raging_monkey]

With all the new mages, plus the fact that being pushed onto an island against their will and kept away from ordinary people would breed some resentment and an even greater feeling of being apart from society than the Circles already do, you'd need to have some supervision there even after that.

its no better or worse imo only difference is that id allow families with the magi-templars maybe fraternization will make things easier(consenting). Not saying it would be easy or even ideal but after spending 2 days with everyone and reading lore its the best could come up with circles are needed

[Willowhugger]

It is rather tragic that only criminals and mercenaries really "want" mages.

In a Circle, Bethany could be a teacher.

Outside of one, she's piling up bodies with Hawke.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

It is rather tragic that only criminals and mercenaries really "want" mages.

It's people like that you'd expect to want mages. People of that sort tend to be pretty result-driven, which leads to them being pretty open-minded about who they employ as long as the employees are worth the money.

[Master Warder Z_]

but pretty much all it took was Uldred to completely screw over Fereldan's Circle, and I doubt he would've found such a sympathetic ear if his words didn't strike a cord that others could relate to.

 

 

By his own loony fraternity sure.

 

Reread "promises of pride" sometime.

[Willowhugger]

It's people like that you'd expect to want mages. People of that sort tend to be pretty result-driven, which leads to them being pretty open-minded about who they employ as long as the employees are worth the money.

 

Yeah, Bethany is only able to lead a "normal" life in the Circles where magic is normal.

 

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