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[Br3admax]

It WAS her justification. We were there, we were present when she called for the Annulment. And that justification alone is not enough, hence why she would be called to Val Royaux, to defend her actions. That doesn't mean she couldn't. The Gallows was after all a den of blood mages, so there is justification for an annulment.

Except she's asked for annulment for so many other reasons. That's why it's called the LAST Straw. She actually tries to convince Hawke of all the other reasons that they've seen, including the plot against her. Meredith knows Chantry law. I'd she hasn't been killed, she'd use the same blood magic claim she used to justify attacking Hawke.

[Willowhugger]

 

First of all, Hawke is a player character, and as such he gets to break all the rules, for the sake of the game. Had Hawke not been a player character, then the second it was found out he was a mage, he would be thrown in the Circle.

With that being said, Hawke was being surveiled by the Templars. They may not have thrown him in the Circle, but they were keeping an eye on him. They probably felt they had him udner reasonable control.

 

Gameplay and Story Segregation, yeah, DG said that Hawke was actually much more circumspect.

 

Of course, the Templars don't like to make a fuss either.

 

We see other nobles who have hidden magic ("The Lost Prince", Dragon Age: Awakening) and so on. So the Templars don't like to rock the boat.

[raging_monkey]

If she wanted to purge corrupt she should did the whole city. Place was cesspit. Tch they mightve given her a medal*sarcasm*

[Willowhugger]

If she wanted to purge corrupt she should did the whole city. Place was cesspit. Tch they mightve given her a medal*sarcasm*

 

Tallis: If you joined the Qun. You'd have a purpose.

 

Hawke: I protect Kirkwall.

Tallis: From who?

Hawke: Mostly other Kirkwallers. Everyone is either a Blood Mage, religious fanatic, psycho Qunari (no offense), murderous thug, or Gamlen. I mean, seriously, 40 guys jump me randomly every night. It's lucky I'm friends with the City Guard Captain because that's a LOT of bodies to ignore.

 

Aveline: I'm standing RIGHT here.

[raging_monkey]

Lol reaffrims my point willo

[EmperorSahlertz]

Except she's asked for annulment for so many other reasons. That's why it's called the LAST Straw. She actually tries to convince Hawke of all the other reasons that they've seen, including the plot against her. Meredith knows Chantry law. I'd she hasn't been killed, she'd use the same blood magic claim she used to justify attacking Hawke.

And none of them were accepted either. Matter of fact is, that no matter what reason Meredith had used as justification, she would have been called to Val Royaux to defend her actions.

[Lulupab]

I only sided with Templars only once and it made me puke. Even when I roleplayed a pro-templar Hawke I sided with mages. Mages of kirkwall are innocent because they didn't blow up the chantry. Orsino was a blood mage? Then simply kill him. Besides Orsino was legally studying blood magic so technically him becoming harvester was first blood magic spell he cast but that's beyond the point. If he was guilty he must have been killed NOT THE ENTIRE CIRCLE.

There is no moral implication behind siding with Templars. When you side with mages, you kill blood mages, you kill Orsino and help the innocent mages escape, everyone who needs to pay for their deeds actually does. When you side with Templars you kill every single mage in Kirkwall for a crime they haven't committed.

[Br3admax]

And none of them were accepted either. Matter of fact is, that no matter what reason Meredith had used as justification, she would have been called to Val Royaux to defend her actions.

And the only thing she'd need to worry about its how heavy the medal is. You can try to paint yer any way you want to, but she was right in the end and would not be punished for her actions.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Gameplay and Story Segregation, yeah, DG said that Hawke was actually much more circumspect.

 

Of course, the Templars don't like to make a fuss either.

 

We see other nobles who have hidden magic ("The Lost Prince", Dragon Age: Awakening) and so on. So the Templars don't like to rock the boat.

Do you mean the Exiled Prince? Because if so, then both the examples are of nobles who explicitly hid their talents from the Templars. We have numerous examples of the Templars not giving a damn that the mage is a noble, and still put them in the Circle.

[raging_monkey]

I only sided with Templars only once and it made me puke. Even when I roleplayed a pro-templar Hawke I sided with mages. Mages of kirkwall are innocent because they didn't blow up the chantry. Orsino was a blood mage? Then simply kill him. Besides Orsino was legally studying blood magic so technically him becoming harvester was first blood magic spell he cast but that's beyond the point. If he was guilty he must have been killed.There is no moral implication behind siding with Templars. When you side with mages, you kill blood mages, you kill Orsino and help the innocent mages escape, everyone who needs to pay for their deeds actually does. When you side with Templars you kill every single mage in Kirkwall for a crime they haven't committed.

how do you study blood magic legally? Its possible in fereldan but they werent kirkwall.
The mere anatomical study oc it is banned

[Willowhugger]

Do you mean the Exiled Prince? Because if so, then both the examples are of nobles who explicitly hid their talents from the Templars. We have numerous examples of the Templars not giving a damn that the mage is a noble, and still put them in the Circle.

My bad, sorry about the name issue. Tis early where I am

[TheKomandorShepard]

I only sided with Templars only once and it made me puke. Even when I roleplayed a pro-templar Hawke I sided with mages. Mages of kirkwall are innocent because they didn't blow up the chantry. Orsino was a blood mage? Then simply kill him. Besides Orsino was legally studying blood magic so technically him becoming harvester was first blood magic spell he cast but that's beyond the point. If he was guilty he must have been killed.

There is no moral implication behind siding with Templars. When you side with mages, you kill blood mages, you kill Orsino and help the innocent mages escape, everyone who needs to pay for their deeds actually does. When you side with Templars you kill every single mage in Kirkwall for a crime they haven't committed.

Kirkwall circle was corrupted from the top to the bottom as we can see legions of blood mages in the ending as well before.And it wasn't about chantry it was just 1 more excuse for meredith... And no blood magic is illegal especially if we talk about serial killer eh those pro-mages how far they will go to justify mages...

 

Of course there is if you try to protect entire kirkwall from insane blood mages and walking bombs this can be seen pretty moral.

[Lulupab]

how do you study blood magic legally? Its possible in fereldan but they werent kirkwall.
The mere anatomical study oc it is banned

His bio says he did before becoming first enchanter, maybe somewhere else and not Kirkwall?

[Lulupab]

Kirkwall circle was corrupted from the top to the bottom as we can see legions of blood mages in the ending as well before.And it wasn't about chantry it was just 1 more excuse for meredith... And no blood magic is illegal especially if we talk about serial killer eh those pro-mages how far they will go to justify mages...
 
Of course there is if you try to protect entire kirkwall from insane blood mages and walking bombs this can be seen pretty moral.

Except you kill those blood mages when you side with mages too, you just spare the normal mages and you kill them too when siding with Templars.

[raging_monkey]

His bio says he did before becoming first enchanter, maybe somewhere else and not Kirkwall?

hmm source? Actually interested this gives me a idea

[Willowhugger]

Kirkwall circle was corrupted from the top to the bottom as we can see legions of blood mages in the ending as well before.And it wasn't about chantry it was just 1 more excuse for meredith... And no blood magic is illegal especially if we talk about serial killer eh those pro-mages how far they will go to justify mages...

 

Of course there is if you try to protect entire kirkwall from insane blood mages and walking bombs this can be seen pretty moral.

A Pro-Templar view where Cullen asks Hawke to help purge the Circle of Blood Mages and spare innocents would make more sense, in my view.

 

Of course, David Gaider said that Kirkwall's Circle WASN'T filled from the top down with Blood Mages.

WHich I kind of dislike to be honest.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Except you kill those blood mages when you side with mages too, you just spare the normal mages and you kill them too when siding with Templars.

Not rly unless you expect mages screaming "im blood mage or abomnation" smarter hide that fortunately (and not) those smarter mages are rare pretty much you can even wind protect 1 blood mage.

 

 

A Pro-Templar view where Cullen asks Hawke to help purge the Circle of Blood Mages and spare innocents would make more sense, in my view.

 

Of course, David Gaider said that Kirkwall's Circle WASN'T filled from the top down with Blood Mages.

WHich I kind of dislike to be honest.

What was rather dumb as RoA is about eliminating risk even if there is few mages who aren't corrupted or abomnations (and you can't tell who is and who isn't) point of RoA is to sacrifice everyone in circle in name of safety.

[Br3admax]

Do you mean the Exiled Prince? Because if so, then both the examples are of nobles who explicitly hid their talents from the Templars. We have numerous examples of the Templars not giving a damn that the mage is a noble, and still put them in the Circle.

Those parents gave their children up. Carver flat out says the Templars leave you alone because of your status. Even before you're champion.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Those parents gave their children up. Carver flat out says the Templars leave you alone because of your status. Even before you're champion.

Because you are the player character. The Templars don't care about the nobleborn mages out there. They care about Hawke because he is the player character and the plot dictates that they do.

[Icy Magebane]

Those parents gave their children up. Carver flat out says the Templars leave you alone because of your status. Even before you're champion.

That means that either Templars are extremely corrupt and susceptible to bribery or the lore was ignored for the sake of the story that Bioware "wished to tell."  Either is plausible I suppose, but the latter is likely given the company's history.  Does Carver elaborate further on how Hawke's blood magic is also overlooked?  How Anders managed to run a clinic out in the open of ten years even with Templars "sniffing around" his door as early as Act 2?

[Willowhugger]

That means that either Templars are extremely corrupt and susceptible to bribery or the lore was ignored for the sake of the story that Bioware "wished to tell."  Either is plausible I suppose, but the latter is likely given the company's history.  Does Carver elaborate further on how Hawke's blood magic is also overlooked?  How Anders managed to run a clinic out in the open of ten years even with Templars "sniffing around" his door as early as Act 2?

The Clinic didn't bother me as Darktown isn't a bastion of law and order while the people there have no reason to think of him as anything but their guardian angel.

[Mistic]

And the only thing she'd need to worry about its how heavy the medal is. You can try to paint yer any way you want to, but she was right in the end and would not be punished for her actions.

 

Well... not really. Let's not forget that DA2's famous framed narrative was based on an official Seeker investigation. In the end, no matter what route is chosen, Meredith is condemned for her actions and her killer is being looked for help. That's the canon ending every time. "What if" is just speculation.

[Icy Magebane]

The Clinic didn't bother me as Darktown isn't a bastion of law and order while the people there have no reason to think of him as anything but their guardian angel.

I still think it's odd that the Templars never investigated rumors of a "healer" in Darktown.  If they didn't search that place for apostates from time to time, there would have been a lot of them down there... and if they were "sniffing around," why didn't they find him?  Since DA2 is so sloppy in other areas, I am skeptical about things like this as well... I understand that the writers are human and everyone makes mistakes, but not every aspect of the story is logical.

[Willowhugger]

I still think it's odd that the Templars never investigated rumors of a "healer" in Darktown.  If they didn't search that place for apostates from time to time, there would have been a lot of them down there... and if they were "sniffing around," why didn't they find him?  Since DA2 is so sloppy in other areas, I am skeptical about things like this as well... I understand that the writers are human and everyone makes mistakes, but not every aspect of the story is logical.

 

True, but Anders could also just close up shop whenever he wanted to.

Sadly, it's just another plothole they could have fixed by dialogue.

At the heart of the story, though, it's about the Templars being hard-pressed to find members of the resistance when said resistance is hugely public.

[Br3admax]

Because you are the player character. The Templars don't care about the nobleborn mages out there. They care about Hawke because he is the player character and the plot dictates that they do.

Your word isn't above a statement in game.