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#1426
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You aren't excusing their behavior by saying they are crazy. You are explaining their behavior.

Applying the description of "crazy" to Decimus in the absence of proof sounds like an attempt to justify his behavior, which is what I said when I originally objected to the use of that word.  If someone is legitimately insane, then mental illness should be taken into account when judging their actions.  This possibility should not, however, be randomly presented simply to make the person in question seem less culpable.



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I don't know how closely you all have been following DA:I's news, but the Inquisitor's job isn't to pick a winner in this war, it is to rein in both traitorous groups and put their violent tendencies to better use.


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Applying the description of "crazy" to Decimus in the absence of proof sounds like an attempt to justify his behavior, which is what I said when I originally objected to the use of that word.  If someone is legitimately insane, then mental illness should be taken into account when judging their actions.  This possibility should not, however, be randomly presented simply to make the person in question seem less culpable.

 

Decimus seemed quite coherent to me.



#1429
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Where did I write that excused what they did? 

Yeah, I was expecting you to say that.  The implication that it could be used as an excuse comes from this statement:

 

Crazy and smart is two sides of the same coin.

Since there is no basis for the claim that he is "crazy" (aside from Alain's offhand remark, which is countered by Grace's interpretation and Decimus's own words and actions when we observe him first hand), to apply it is to cast doubt upon his moral responsibility.  Again, this was my objection to use of the term "crazy," which is what you initially responded to with the above quote.



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Applying the description of "crazy" to Decimus in the absence of proof sounds like an attempt to justify his behavior, which is what I said when I originally objected to the use of that word.  If someone is legitimately insane, then mental illness should be taken into account when judging their actions.  This possibility should not, however, be randomly presented simply to make the person in question seem less culpable.

He did seem besides himself.

 

 

I don't know how closely you all have been following DA:I's news, but the Inquisitor's job isn't to pick a winner in this war, it is to rein in both traitorous groups and put their violent tendencies to better use.

Now that makes sense, you are probably going to need magic to close some of the openings in fade and battle demons and such and templars to the more physical fighting.

 

Yeah, I was expecting you to say that.  The implication that it could be used as an excuse comes from this statement:

 

Since there is no basis for the claim that he is "crazy" (aside from Alain's offhand remark, which is countered by Grace's interpretation and Decimus's own words and actions when we observe him first hand), to apply it is to cast doubt upon his moral responsibility.  Again, this was my objection to use of the term "crazy," which is what you initially responded to with the above quote.

Ahhh, but never the less there isn't much evidence for either case since we don't know much about him.

 

Never the less this statement I made about the two side of the same coin, is something people with expertise in psychology and stuff like that will pretty much say the same to you, if you are very smart chances are you are also a bit crazy too. It was actually there I heard the term for the first time.



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Never the less this statement I made about the two side of the same coin, is something people with expertise in psychology and stuff like that will pretty much say the same to you, if you are very smart chances are you are also a bit crazy too. It was actually there I heard the term for the first time.

 

I wouldn't rate Deciumus, Anders or many mages to be honest as "genius" level intellects.

 

They have better education then most obviously due to the Chantry, but still.

 

I can't see many of them being scholars.



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Ahhh, but never the less there isn't much evidence for either case since we don't know much about him.

 

Never the less this statement I made about the two side of the same coin, is something people with expertise in psychology and stuff like that will pretty much say the same to you, if you are very smart chances are you are also a bit crazy too. It was actually there I heard the term for the first time.

Right.  Well, in spite of his vices, Alrik had a visionary plan that would have erased the possibility of abominations forever, so perhaps his brilliance was simply unappreciated by those who couldn't comprehend his genius.  The next time someone casts him in a negative light, I'll be sure to randomly say that he was "crazy," without elaborating further or providing proof.  That's not a big deal, right?  We don't know much about the guy, so it might be true...



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"The caster summons a skeleton minion from the corpse of a fallen enemy to fight alongside the party for a short time, although, as a puppet of the caster, it will not use any talents or spells without specific instruction." This is the description of the spell. No mention of a spirit, but rather the explanation that it is a puppet of the caster.

There also was some discussion about this spell on the old forum, but i honestly can't be bothered with digging through that cesspit.

It is explicitly stated in the Codex on spirit magic that its students sometime use spirits (hence the name, presumably), and this just seemed like the best candidate alongside Virulent Walking Bomb. Nor does using the corpse as a puppet preclude having a spirit serve as the strings. If that discussion included the devs hopping in and saying my interpretation is wrong, I'd take their word over my own logic, but in the absence of that it just seems like this is the sort of thing that would be easiest with the aid of a spirit.

 

As for having to dig about, if you can remember any snatch of the exact language of the thread you could try google. I'll grant that it's not necessarily easy, but it can work.



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Right.  Well, in spite of his vices, Alrik had a visionary plan that would have erased the possibility of abominations forever, so perhaps his brilliance was simply unappreciated by those who couldn't comprehend his genius.  The next time someone casts him in a negative light, I'll be sure to randomly say that he was "crazy," without elaborating further or providing proof.  That's not a big deal, right?

please tell me your joking haha

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please tell me your joking haha

Am I?

 

Ahhh, but never the less there isn't much evidence for either case since we don't know much about him.

Based on this line of thought, it seems legit.

 

edit:  Just so that I'm perfectly clear about this, I am being sarcastic.  I do not endorse the Tranquil Solution in any way, I'm just using this as an example of how flawed TTTX's argument is.  :P



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I wouldn't rate Deciumus, Anders or many mages to be honest as "genius" level intellects.

 

They have better education then most obviously due to the Chantry, but still.

 

I can't see many of them being scholars.

Some people are born smarter then rest of the people, it's more that makes them more intelligent above the rest and unfortunately it comes at the price of being a bit crazy or sometimes a lot crazy.

 

 

Right.  Well, in spite of his vices, Alrik had a visionary plan that would have erased the possibility of abominations forever, so perhaps his brilliance was simply unappreciated by those who couldn't comprehend his genius.  The next time someone casts him in a negative light, I'll be sure to randomly say that he was "crazy," without elaborating further or providing proof.  That's not a big deal, right?  We don't know much about the guy, so it might be true...

Doesn't matter to me if he was crazy or not, he still deserved to die, much like everyone else we killed in Kirkwall.



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Doesn't matter to me if he was crazy or not, he still deserved to die, much like everyone else we killed in Kirkwall.

So long as you add crazy ol' Decimus to that list, I don't have a problem with that... well, beyond irresponsibly bringing up the possibility of insanity without a shred of proof, of course.



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Some people are born smarter then rest of the people, it's more that makes them more intelligent above the rest and unfortunately it comes at the price of being a bit crazy or sometimes a lot crazy.

That happens, yes. But have you considered that there are also some people who get the crazy for no compensation? (Or who are compensated in charisma, not brains?)



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edit:  Just so that I'm perfectly clear about this, I am being sarcastic.  I do not endorse the Tranquil Solution in any way, I'm just using this as an example of how flawed TTTX's argument is.  :P

Yeah, well sometimes you are more crazy then intelligent as I said two sides of the same coin, sometimes one of the sides are more dominate then the other.



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Yeah, well sometimes you are more crazy then intelligent as I said two sides of the same coin, sometimes one of the sides are more dominate then the other.

"Two sides of the same coin" is a catch phrase, not a scientific fact.  Take a trip to a random insane asylum and see for yourself.



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Most of the smartest minds in the world are completely sane. I'm not sure where your logic is coming from, but it's not very sound. 


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#1442
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Most of the smartest minds in the world are completely sane. I'm not sure where your logic is coming from, but it's not very sound. 

It comes from a pop culture catch phrase and analyzing comic book supervillains apparently...



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That happens, yes. But have you considered that there are also some people who get the crazy for no compensation? (Or who are compensated in charisma, not brains?)

Yeah those people exist too.

 

So long as you add crazy ol' Decimus to that list, I don't have a problem with that... well, beyond irresponsibly bringing up the possibility of insanity without a shred of proof, of course.

When in Kirkwall claim someone is crazy and kill them.



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Some people are born smarter then rest of the people

 

And the person you applying the old "Insanity and Genius are two sides of the same coin" isn't a genius so it doesn't matter.

 

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Most of the smartest minds in the world are completely sane. I'm not sure where your logic is coming from, but it's not very sound. 

Leonardo Da Vinci, Issac Newton, Howard Hughes, brilliant minds, but they did have some crazy in them. Crazy doesn't necessarily mean you are going to hear voices and see things and can't function in normal everyday life.

 

It comes from a pop culture catch phrase and analyzing comic book supervillains apparently...

And real life people.



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And the person you applying the old "Insanity and Genius are two sides of the same coin" isn't a genius so it doesn't matter.

 

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To true Decimus doesn't seem that smart.



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Leonardo Da Vinci, Issac Newton, Howard Hughes, brilliant minds, but they did have some crazy in them. Crazy doesn't necessarily mean you are going to hear voices and see things and can't function in normal everyday life.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc. 


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Post hoc ergo propter hoc. 

I'm sorry I have no idea what you said.



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I'm sorry I have no idea what you said.

He said that for a person to have two qualities doesn't mean that either caused or required the other.



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I'm sorry I have no idea what you said.

 

Google is your friend here then.