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[Icy Magebane]

The Old Gods did teach Darinius blood magic. So there's that. Perhaps a particularly powerful Desire Demon can actually grant someone blood magic specifically if that's what they wanted or needed to achieve a greater goal.

Hm... perhaps.  There's a lot that we don't know about the Fade.  Maybe some demons can open a non-mage's mind to the Fade the way the Rite of Tranquility severs that link?  I don't know... like I said, I've never heard of anything similar, but I guess it's not impossible since we don't have all the facts.

 

edit:  Something about this just doesn't sound right, though...

[Willowhugger]

Hm... perhaps.  There's a lot that we don't know about the Fade.  Maybe some demons can open a non-mage's mind to the Fade the way the Rite of Tranquility severs that link?  I don't know... like I said, I've never heard of anything similar, but I guess it's not impossible since we don't have all the facts.

The Fade is thin in places. We don't know if that's naturally occurring, because of magic alone, or the result of violence.

However, there's a **** ton of weird places in Thedas even if no mages are nearby.

I point to the Ents who tried to kill me in the Brecilian Forest.

Maybe Zathrian is responsible.

Maybe someone else.

[WillieStyle]

You can't turn someone into a mage, and you can't just come into contact with a demon. It doesn't work that way. 

 

Was Bartrand Tethras a mage?

[raging_monkey]

The Old Gods did teach Darinius blood magic. So there's that. Perhaps a particularly powerful Desire Demon can actually grant a non-mage blood magic specifically if that's what they wanted or needed to achieve a greater goal.

going by that logic anyone is capable of magic even yemplars

[Master Warder Z_]

Was Bartrand Tethras a mage?

 

I'd bet dollars to donuts those shades were there due to the idol.

[Master Warder Z_]

Why all these emphatic claims that non-mages cannot be granted magical powers?  Did Knight-commander Meredith use "magic" in the final fight of DA:2?

 

Idol.

[Br3admax]

I'd bet dollars to donuts those shades were there due to the idol.

This. Bartrand kept a piece of it. Considering he's also a dwarf, it's even possible for him to contact a demon in the Fade. 

[DeityDi]

going by that logic anyone is capable of magic even yemplars 

Well,you have to admit they're capable of doing some weird sh*t as well.

[Willowhugger]

I'd bet dollars to donuts those shades were there due to the idol.

The Dwarven Thaigs are haunted in Awakening and Origins too.

It might be there's a lot of dwarven ghosts because of the violence of the Darkspawn murdering people.

[WillieStyle]

Idol.

 

And?  Was she - a non-mage - granted magical powers or not?

[Master Warder Z_]

The Dwarven Thaigs are haunted in Awakening and Origins too.

It might be there's a lot of dwarven ghosts because of the violence of the Darkspawn murdering people.

 

I just always assumed Dwarves were just annoying.

[Master Warder Z_]

And?  Was she - a non-mage - granted magical powers or not?

 

Through an Idol, if a cursed sword allows you to summon demons from the fade, you aren't doing it.

 

The Sword allows you to do it, its akin to the Sword of Aeons acting as the key to the gateway to "hell" in Fable.

 

Even the Main Antagonist wasn't capable of bypassing that, through magic or no, it took the blade to do it, Magical relics are annoying like that.

[Willowhugger]

I just always assumed Dwarves were just annoying.

 

My reaction to the first ghosts I encountered was, as a faithful Andastrian. "Holy ****! The dwarf stone thing isn't *******!"

Which Oghren glared at me for, I'm sure.

[Willowhugger]

Through an Idol, if a cursed sword allows you to summon demons from the fade, you aren't doing it.

 

The Sword allows you to do it, its akin to the Sword of Aeons acting as the key to the gateway to "hell" in Fable.

 

Even the Main Antagonist wasn't capable of bypassing that, through magic or no, it took the blade to do it, Magical relics are annoying like that.

 

Of course, we also see a bunch of Templar Abominations attack us in the Circle in Fereldan too.

The Desire Demon takes over that Templar after all.

There's also Sophia Dryden.

So places where the Veil is Thin means that normal people can be possessed too.

I'd say survivors are so rare, though, this isn't common knowledge.

[raging_monkey]

That's why I said it needs to be answered. If 'anyone' can be a blood-mage that would be bad publicity for the Templar side. If Lady Harriman was already a mage then things remain the way they are. Someone needs hit David Gaider up on twitter.

i think gaider thinks we are a bit toxic... as a whole

[Br3admax]

And?  Was she - a non-mage - granted magical powers or not?

No, the idol does not grant magical powers. Nor did it let Meredith use blood magic. Red lyrium is anti-magic. 

[Master Warder Z_]

No, the idol does not grant magical powers. Nor did it let Meredith use blood magic. Red lyrium is anti-magic. 

 

Anti Magic!

[Willowhugger]

In addition to Connor and Lady Hariman, there's also the Baroness for a "noble" Blood Mage outside the Circle.

Presumably, as an Orlaisian noble, she wasn't subject to the Circle's rules.

[WillieStyle]

Through an Idol, if a cursed sword allows you to summon demons from the fade, you aren't doing it.

 

The Sword allows you to do it, its akin to the Sword of Aeons acting as the key to the gateway to "hell" in Fable.

 

Even the Main Antagonist wasn't capable of bypassing that, through magic or no, it took the blade to do it, Magical relics are annoying like that.

 

So, since the point of the circles is to protect people from powerful demon-possessed people, why the focus on mages to the exclusion of all others.  After all, if evil relics can grant non-mages magical powers AND corrupt their thought processes, doesn't that amount to the same sort of threat as abominations?  Again, why not invest in possession-detection and possessing-eradication technology/relics/magic?  That would lead to far less strife than the circles and it would prevent possessed relic-holders like Meredith from slipping under the radar.

[Willowhugger]

No, the idol does not grant magical powers. Nor did it let Meredith use blood magic. Red lyrium is anti-magic. 

I think Lyrium is like coal. It's what's leftover from the Fade which gets proceeded and compressed into stone.

Red Lyrium is just a different kind of it.

 

Though it appears to...grow.

[Milan92]

Anti Magic!

 

Make a red lyrium bomb. With luck, it will get rid of all magic.

 

Maybe a way to "cure" mages?

[Master Warder Z_]

So, since the point of the circles is to protect people from powerful demon-possessed people, why the focus on mages to the exclusion of all others.  After all, if evil relics can grant non-mages magical powers AND corrupt their thought processes, doesn't that amount to the same sort of threat as abominations?  Again, why not invest in possession-detection and possessing-eradication technology/relics/magic?  That would lead to far less strife than the circles and it would prevent possessed relic-holders like Meredith from slipping under the radar.

 

Ask the devs, i'm sure they could tell you if they feel like sharing

 

I don't write lore unfortunately...although i would love that gig.

[Willowhugger]

So, since the point of the circles is to protect people from powerful demon-possessed people, why the focus on mages to the exclusion of all others.  After all, if evil relics can grant non-mages magical powers AND corrupt their thought processes, doesn't that amount to the same sort of threat as abominations?  Again, why not invest in possession-detection and possessing-eradication technology/relics/magic?  That would lead to far less strife than the circles and it would prevent possessed relic-holders like Meredith from slipping under the radar.

I imagine this will be addressed in Origins.

Red Lyrium is something of a game changer.

 

If it bestows Abomination powers on regular humans, then the world is much-much worse off. There will be a blood-magic for normal people other than Reaverdom.

But at least mages will look better!

[raging_monkey]

No, the idol does not grant magical powers. Nor did it let Meredith use blood magic. Red lyrium is anti-magic.

to me anti magic means it counters magic(cortisis v lightsabers) so what does this mean