To be honest I'm interested in Hope spirits, they are even stronger than faith spirits and are strongest entity of the fade and for the most part have decided to completely ignore mortals and their affairs.
inb4 Cole is a spirit of Hope (in case of corruption a demon of Despair)
My theory is that the Inquisitor is a Hope Spirit/Abomination.
I wonder what effect it would have on a non-mage like Evangeline.
Super speed, strenght, reflexes, healing?
Who knows, we have only seen like one other none mage character who have possesed, but that was a most likely not the highest demon and the gameplay for that character was not realistic as the devs have said that demons can't summon abominations up from the ground.
Maybe we'll find out.
My theory is that the Inquisitor is a Hope Spirit/Abomination.
That actually could make sense.
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I wonder what effect it would have on a non-mage like Evangeline.
Super speed, strenght, reflexes, healing?
A stronger version of the Spirit Warrior. Add in Evangeline's Templar abilities and you've got yourself a powerhouse.
My theory is that the Inquisitor is a Hope Spirit/Abomination.
I intend to be a sarcasm/irony abomination.
My theory is that the Inquisitor is a Hope Spirit/Abomination.
Yes, but these limitations are exactly what mages are taught to overcome. Being able to fight in the Fade is NOT an indication of being able to fight in the waking world. Mages are taught and expected to be able to navigate the Fade, which means they are taught to defend themselves while there. That doesn't mean that fighting in the Fade is simple, I don't think anyone is saying that, it means that fighitng in the Fade, has nothing to do with fighting in the waking world.
Exacto.
Exacto.
Except your companions can do it too.
Just saying.
Except your companions can do it too.
Just saying.
What does this even mean? Your companions can encounter darkspawn on a daily basis and not get tainted. Therefore the Taint doesn't matter.
Nah. There are no actual fights in the Fade. This is the realm of dreams, where will turns anything into anything else. It doesn't work the same.
Again, this is a battle of wills in the Fade. The spirit of Justice, Sloth, and even Mouse make this abundantly clear. They aren't actually combatting anything.
Because for a mage they're the same thing. A fight in the Fade isn't the same as a battle in Thedas, yet. I'm not going to pretend that mages aren't powerful. They obviously are, but demons are stronger, faster, and more powerful than they, the higher ups anyway. The Templars have resistances to these magics, as demons and mages wield the same type of magic.
Uh, no they can't be a terrible soldiers. They're charged with guarding the largest threat in Thedas and must stay vigil at all times over their charges. There's a screening process. And while mages can train, they will never go past their own natural ability without augmentation, lyrium being extremely dangerous, and blood magic. Neither of which are useful in this situation when compared with Templar might. Templars on the other hand are already selected to be above average soldiers and have already proven themselves as a whole multiple times throughout Thedosian history.
A person's actions in the Fade have very real consequences. Willpower is one factor of fade fighting - a fighter must believe they hold a sword or can cast a spell, but use their skills effectively regardless. That has been the case in every fade visit we've seen.
That's what Willpower does. Comparing the Fade to the real world is shaky at best. The more Willpower you have, the stronger you are in the Fade.
And the fade fighting in Asunder and the Calling - there was no skill involved? They just thought something up and it happened?
Way to strawman. I said that skill in the Fade doesn't equate to skill on Thedas.
Those claims are obviously not the same thing. And you continue to use arbitrary measurements of ability and effectiveness to justify your first claim. Base something on a fact. You have yet to prove that mages cannot fight demons. And why are demons not stronger, faster, and more powerful - to great a match for templars but they must be for mages? It makes no sense.
And exactly how many current templars are battle tested - before the mage-templar war? I'd like to see some actual recent soldiering before declaring their excellence. A mage's talent, strengthened with lyrium or blood magic, is not useful when compared to "templar might"? That's incredibly arbitrary. Define "templar might" and then we can compare templar and mage ability.
For starters, suggesting that we use blood magic, a tool of demons, to combat demons is pretty funny. Second, Templars don't sit in Towers all they day. Hunting apostates. Defending Chantry land. Putting down rebellions in Kirkwall ever before Hawke went there. Finally, in the Last Straw, no matter the side, the Templars dominate the mages. If Cullen had not let the Champion leave, they would very likely be dead if siding with the mages. In Asunder, battle after battle ends with the mages being destroyed, even with blood magic at their disposal. The Templars have proven their skill. All the mages have proven is that they make nice pincushions for Templar blades.
What does this even mean? Your companions can encounter darkspawn on a daily basis and not get tainted. Therefore the Taint doesn't matter.
I'm saying I still think fighting in the Fade is the same as fighting in the Real World.
Because your Mind Makes it real.
The consequences of dying are the same. There are limitations in the real world, that mages are trained to not have in the Fade, this being something they do on a regular basis.
For starters, suggesting that we use blood magic, a tool of demons, to combat demons is pretty funny. Second, Templars don't sit in Towers all they day. Hunting apostates. Defending Chantry land. Putting down rebellions in Kirkwall ever before Hawke went there. Finally, in the Last Straw, no matter the side, the Templars dominate the mages. If Cullen had not let the Champion leave, they would very likely be dead if siding with the mages. In Asunder, battle after battle ends with the mages being destroyed, even with blood magic at their disposal. The Templars have proven their skill. All the mages have proven is that they make nice pincushions for Templar blades.
Yeah, if Hawke sides with the Mages, the Templars are devastated.
The entire thing of the Kirkwall incident is that it strikes at Templar authority.
If the Templars win, it proves they can be escaped as the Mages have plenty who leave.
If the Templars lose, it proves they can be defied.
Either way, the mages no longer fear them the same way.
That's a bit of stretch, Cullen steps backward in fear when the champion gives him "the look", the other Templars wet their pants. The female Templar waits until Hawke walks away quite a distance before daring to approach Meredith (which was where Hawke was standing) and see what happened. Go watch the ending again.
You actually think Hawke could have defeated the army of Templars that was left?
Also Orsino and his mages managed to kill all Templars stationed in the circle before Meredith arrived with rest of the order. This usually happens, in same number templars get decimated. Mages rebel, mages usually win, Templars retreat and come with more numbers, mages either lose or flee. The Templars ALWAYS count on numbers, best equipment and favor of people to win against mages. Now that all of it or at least most of it is gone the mage vs templar war in Inquisition is quite balanced. Not to mention the mages possess one of the most fortified holds in Thedas.
Also the Templars of white spire get slaughtered and mages escape before Lambert arrives. Again in equal numbers to mages Templars always go boom.
What makes you think those numbers were equal? Most, if not all, prisons in the world have more inmates than guards.
And need I remind that the White Spire was the only Circle who actually suceeded in killing the Templars stationed there?
Yeah, if Hawke sides with the Mages, the Templars are devastated.
The entire thing of the Kirkwall incident is that it strikes at Templar authority.
If the Templars win, it proves they can be escaped as the Mages have plenty who leave.
If the Templars lose, it proves they can be defied.
Either way, the mages no longer fear them the same way.
There is no indication the Templars were devastated.
In 100% of the cases, the Templars win the battle in Kirkwall. All that changes with Hawke's choice is the number of mages that manage to escape but the Circle always falls while the Templars remain.
There is no indication the Templars were devastated.
In 100% of the cases, the Templars win the battle in Kirkwall. All that changes with Hawke's choice is the number of mages that manage to escape but the Circle always falls while the Templars remain.
Except, doesn't that mean the Templars lose 100% of the time?
The Circle isn't the objective. The Mages are.
That's what Willpower does. Comparing the Fade to the real world is shaky at best. The more Willpower you have, the stronger you are in the Fade.
That is not necessarily true. You must control a battlespace, anticipate your enemy's attacks, choose the best spell type, determine points of weakness, etc. None of those things are based on willpower. And we've never seen anyone's skill level take a dramatic leap beyond their their original skillset. They use the same skills in the fade as they do in the physical world.
Way to strawman. I said that skill in the Fade doesn't equate to skill on Thedas.
You said there was no actual fighting in the fade - that will was a substitute for fighting. I'm demonstrating that's not true. And skill in the Fade doesn't equate to skill in Thdeas - that's an assumption. I provided a counter example above.
You have yet to prove they can. An entire Circle was overrun, if not for Wynne, they'd all be dead. But mages are masters of demonic combat outside of the Fade. Demons are stronger, faster, and more powerful, due to their nature. To think that a mage is more powerful than the embodiment of the magic they use is baseless. Templars are trained to combat demons. Mages aren't. It's that simple.Adrian, Rhys, Hawke, Anders, Wynne, the Warden, Merrill, they've all fought demons successfully. The Ferelden circle was over-run before most knew what was happening. I won't hold that against anyone present. And the templar response in Ferelden - the soldiers you laud for their ability to fight demons - was to retreat and lock the doors to the tower. But they're masters of demonic combat, that's what you're saying? Should I conclude that templars are terrible at fighting demons from this one extreme example? And there are many categories and classes of demons - certainly not all demons will be faster, stronger, or more powerful than any random mage. There are plenty that are stupid, slow, and weak - lesser rage demons for example. And there are plenty that will be too great for templars to combat. And where did I claim that "a mage was more powerful than the magic they used"?
For starters, suggesting that we use blood magic, a tool of demons, to combat demons is pretty funny. Second, Templars don't sit in Towers all they day. Hunting apostates. Defending Chantry land. Putting down rebellions in Kirkwall ever before Hawke went there. Finally, in the Last Straw, no matter the side, the Templars dominate the mages. If Cullen had not let the Champion leave, they would very likely be dead if siding with the mages. In Asunder, battle after battle ends with the mages being destroyed, even with blood magic at their disposal. The Templars have proven their skill. All the mages have proven is that they make nice pincushions for Templar blades.There is no rule that says blood magic against demons is ineffective. And those aren't wars. The templar order hasn't participated in a war since the last exalted march. They've had numbers on their side in skirmishes with unprepared or cornered mages. I don't find that impressive.
There is no rule that says blood magic against demons is ineffective.
I believe that Avernus states the opposite is true. (At least of conventional blood magic.)
taint based magic is alien to them impling some effectiveness blood magic at best controls them for a extentI believe that Avernus states the opposite is true. (At least of conventional blood magic.)
I believe that Avernus states the opposite is true. (At least of conventional blood magic.)
Citation please.
Citation please.
He has a line that goes something like "Blood magic comes from demons, they could counter every bit of lore I knew. But the darkspawn taint, that is alien to them. And it has power."
(To clarify, what I meant by "the opposite is true" is that "there is a rule saying that demons can handle blood magic." Sorry if that was confusing.)
He has a line that goes something like "Blood magic comes from demons, they could counter every bit of lore I knew. But the darkspawn taint, that is alien to them. And it has power."
(To clarify, what I meant by "the opposite is true" is that "there is a rule saying that demons can handle blood magic." Sorry if that was confusing.)
I think "could" is the operative word here. Depending on the demon and blood magic spell type results may differ.
I think "could" is the operative word here. Depending on the demon and blood magic spell type results may differ.
I don't think the type of spell matters unless the mage does something really weird, like drawing on the Taint for example. The strength of the demon I will grant you, since I can't see a rage demon being much good at counterspelling.
I think "could" is the operative word here. Depending on the demon and blood magic spell type results may differ.
"Could" is most certainly not the operative word in that sentence. It is past tence meaning that it DID happen and definitive (not figurative), meaning that the fact that they did counter his blood magic is the important part. Meaning "counter" is the operative word.
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