Except during the Blight or a Qunari invasion that seems to be going well for them. Those situations can't get much worse.
Normal spells worked fairly well in those situations. Regardless, the current situation makes using blood magic the last thing that should be on our minds.
There's really no sane reason to use it.
And this is where the endless cycle begins. A lot of mages practice blood magic to free themselves from oppressive templars. While templars become more strict, as they suspect more mages turn to forbidden magics (such as blood magic). Then the cycle contiues.
Research in an extremely controlled environment, to at least try to develop more defenses, cause Templars are at a major disadvantage against blood magic.
Somehow I doubt such things exist and would not have been found out, since there are books about that explain how to use blood magic, but none to defend against it except the Litany.
Normal spells worked fairly well in those situations. Regardless, the current situation makes using blood magic the last thing that should be on our minds.
Did they? We know the Tevinters helped out with the Exalted Marches. I'll grant that the problem of the Veil already being thin makes Blood Magic questionable here, though.
Except during the Blight or a Qunari invasion that seems to be going well for them. Those situations can't get much worse.
In WoT though, in the blood magic example, there was mention of a Tevinter woman who broke the law to use blood magic to boil the blood of the Qunari in their dreadnoughts. The point was that even though it briefly turned the tide of the battle, the Qunari became much more ferocious in response to that blood magic usage. So, BM kinda made it worse.
And this is where the endless cycle begins. A lot of mages practice blood magic to free themselves from oppressive templars. While templars become more strict, as they suspect more mages turn to forbidden magics (such as blood magic). Then the cycle contiues.
I'm not going to open this can of worms again. Templars weren't being "oppressive" until someone thought that he needed to send a message to everyone. Mages practiced blood magic before because they wanted to, not because they needed to .
Did they? We know the Tevinters helped out with the Exalted Marches. I'll grant that the problem of the Veil already being thin makes Blood Magic questionable here, though.
Yes, they worked there. Duncan affirms it, as does the codex.
Somehow I doubt such things exist and would not have been found out, since there are books about that explain how to use blood magic, but none to defend against it except the Litany.
It could be that no one in the White Chantry has been willing to try and fund/support such research, which would be why they lack such defense. Adralla was nearly killed in Tevinter because she had so many defenses figured out. If such knowledge/defenses were not possible, I don't think they would have tried so hard to kill her.
In WoT though, in the blood magic example, there was mention of a Tevinter woman who broke the law to use blood magic to boil the blood of the Qunari in their dreadnoughts. The point was that even though it briefly turned the tide of the battle, the Qunari became much more ferocious in response to that blood magic usage. So, BM kinda made it worse.
Take another shot with it?
Yes, they worked there. Duncan affirms it, as does the codex.
Does Duncan specifically affirm that the magic used in the Marches stayed strictly legal, though? Given that there were Tevinters helping out, I doubt very much anyone would say that.
I'm not going to open this can of worms again. Templars weren't being "oppressive" until someone thought that he needed to send a message to everyone. Mages practiced blood magic before because they wanted to, not because they needed to .
Yes, they worked there. Duncan affirms it, as does the codex.
Sure there are always going to be some that want to puch the limit of their power. But if you look throught the games, you can see, most of the time mages turn to blood magic to protect themselves. More often than not, against templars. Whether you beleive that some templars are oppressive or not, does not matter, as there is documented proof that there were.
It could be that no one in the White Chantry has been willing to try and fund/support such research, which would be why they lack such defense. Adralla was nearly killed in Tevinter because she had so many defenses figured out. If such knowledge/defenses were not possible, I don't think they would have tried so hard to kill her.
Yes, but I believe that the White Chantry did look into these things, in secret. I'm doubting that they wouldn't have tried. It's not like they don't use some bits of blood magic themselves.
It could be that no one in the White Chantry has been willing to try and fund/support such research, which would be why they lack such defense. Adralla was nearly killed in Tevinter because she had so many defenses figured out. If such knowledge/defenses were not possible, I don't think they would have tried so hard to kill her.
Also, it doesn't hurt to try. However, the mages involved in this research should be quarantined even further and heavily guarded at all times... due to these restrictions, it would have to be voluntary. I would not subject unwilling mages to being isolated from the rest of the Circle against their will, but even if they never discover anything new, there is no reason why they shouldn't make the attempt (so long as they are very carefully monitored).
Sure there are always going to be some that want to puch the limit of their power. But if you look throught the games, you can see, most of the time mages turn to blood magic to protect themselves. More often than not, against templars. Whether you beleive that some templars are oppressive or not, does not matter, as there is documented proof that there were.
Nope. Most of the time in the games I saw fanatics who tried to kill everyone weaker than them, and then blamed the other side when they bit back.
Blood magic also invites demonic possession and weakens the Veil more than normal magic. There's really no sane reason to use it.
Actually, blood magic is considered the only free from of magic because it is rooted in the physical world and has no connection to the fade unlike chantry standard spell casting. Everytime a mage casts a spell they draw from the fade i.e. enter it, and their presence, even brief, attracts demons. Blood magic avoids that altogether. A mage is at greater risk of possession when drawing from the fade than using blood magic.
Nope. Most of the time in the games I saw fanatics who tried to kill everyone weaker than them, and then blamed the other side when they bit back.
Correct, that's all you see in Dragon Age 2. From every faction.
the same could be said of magi how most just wanted to be the oppressor that arguement goes both waysSure there are always going to be some that want to puch the limit of their power. But if you look throught the games, you can see, most of the time mages turn to blood magic to protect themselves. More often than not, against templars. Whether you beleive that some templars are oppressive or not, does not matter, as there is documented proof that there were.
In WoT though, in the blood magic example, there was mention of a Tevinter woman who broke the law to use blood magic to boil the blood of the Qunari in their dreadnoughts. The point was that even though it briefly turned the tide of the battle, the Qunari became much more ferocious in response to that blood magic usage. So, BM kinda made it worse.
That excerpt doesn't really make sense as an argument against blood magic. One could just as easily say things turned bad because they were unable to replicate the magister's results.
the same could be said of magi how most just wanted to be the oppressor that arguement goes both ways
This is true. I'm not saying that mages were/are without fault. I'm merely pointing out that there is a reason why alot of them chose that path, whether it was the right decision or not. Some, to acquire power, others to attain freedom.
Actually, blood magic is considered the only free from of magic because it is rooted in the physical world and has no connection to the fade unlike chantry standard spell casting. Everytime a mage casts a spell they draw from the fade i.e. enter it, and their presence, even brief, attracts demons. Blood magic avoids that altogether.
Mages don't enter the Fade every time they cast a spell. I have no idea where you're getting that from. They channel mana, yes, but they don't eventer the Fade. The use of blood magic also comes from demonic power and attracts demons. There's no way to escape it with any form of magic.
Does Duncan specifically affirm that the magic used in the Marches stayed strictly legal, though? Given that there were Tevinters helping out, I doubt very much anyone would say that.
No, Duncan spoke of how mages have always been an important resource during Blights, even without blood magic. He does admit that Grey Wardens do use it sometime, but Wardens don't fight the same way every day soldiers do.
The Codex entry on Par Vollen says that mages were important during the Qunari Invasion and that it helped them overcome qunari cannons.
Mages don't enter the Fade every time they cast a spell. I have no idea where you're getting that from. They channel mana, yes, but they don't eventer the Fade. The use of blood magic also comes from demonic power and attracts demons. There's no way to escape it with any form of magic.
Actually, whether or not demons are involved and to what extent seems to vary from source to source.
Yes in the story. Anders kills hundreds of darkspawn all by himself, he was the only apostate in the keep and all the corpses near him had no sign of weapon wound, all fell by magic. He actually becomes hero of vigil's keep. And this is before merging with Justice, imagine his power then.In the story? No.
Except he wasn't a golem made with dwarven and Tevinter knowledge, so not one at all.
You are stretching lol, a mage supporter Hawke is utter enemies with Cullen, the dialogue is actually there. I enjoyed watching templars wet their pants here I actually took screenshots:10 people is not an army. No matter how you stretch it, Hawke is at the end of their rope, and Cullen lets them leave because he and Hawke are supposed to be friends, per dialogue in Act II. He's not going to attack the Champion of the city for no reason.
There is no instance of any Templar resisting a blood control or blood boil. Get your facts straight. The codex specifically mentions once the spell is cast its over, it cannot be reverted or resisted. I explained why, the Lyrium is in the blood and offers no protection while the blood itself is targeted.
Templars are perfectly capable of resisting spells that has been cast already. If the fireball is already acst for instance, it may physically hit them, but the magical flames won't burn them, if they manage to resist it.
Also there is nothing inherently more powerful about Blood Magic spells. Blood Magic can be resisted through the exact same techniques as normal spells. The only difference is that Blood Magic is often more powerful, and therefore requres higher magical defenses.
Actually, whether or not demons are involved and to what extent seems to vary from source to source.
Though, you can't deny that blood magic seems to resonate with demons when used, regardless of its actual source.
as much as i dislike fenris' views "freedom is a noble ideal" but when a bunch of blood addicts do the things that turn the mundanes against them. Isolation is the only safe solutionThis is true. I'm not saying that mages were/are without fault. I'm merely pointing out that there is a reason why alot of them chose that path, whether it was the right decision or not. Some, to acquire power, others to attain freedom.
There is no instance of any Templar resisting a blood control or blood boil. Get your facts straight. The codex specifically mentions once the spell is cast its over, it cannot be reverted or resisted. I explained why, the Lyrium is in the blood and offers to protection while the blood itself is targeted.
You can come up with any bullshit puseudo-science claim as to an explanation, yet fail to realize it is magic and doesn't follow any such rules.
The advantages a blood mage has over Templars, is NOT that Templars can't reisst the spells. They are that a Templar cannot prevent the mage from casting spells, and that the spells he casts can be more powerful than usual. Those are the advantages.
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