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[WillieStyle]

No, the idol does not grant magical powers. Nor did it let Meredith use blood magic. Red lyrium is anti-magic. 

 

Anti-magic animates statues, does it?  There isn't an "eye-roll" emoticon large enough for this sort of semantic gymnastics.

[Master Warder Z_]

Anti-magic animates statues, does it? 

 

Why not?

 

Magic can supposedly telekinetically control corpses.

[Br3admax]

I think Lyrium is like coal. It's what's leftover from the Fade which gets proceeded and compressed into stone.

Red Lyrium is just a different kind of it.

 

Though it appears to...grow.

Red Lyrium is confirmed anti-magic, though. It's not the same as normal lyrium, which is arguably the source of all magical power in Thedas. 

[Willowhugger]

Make a red lyrium bomb. With luck, it will get rid of all magic.

 

Maybe a way to "cure" mages?

 

They wish to cure us. But I say to you, WE are the cure! The cure for that infirm, imperfect condition called "homosapiens"! They have their weapons... *lifts staff and causes himself to glow* ... we have ours. We will strike with a vengeance and a fury that this world has never witnessed!

[Master Warder Z_]

God that whiny a-hole should have been killed by Red Skull decades ago.

[Br3admax]

Anti-magic animates statues, does it?  There isn't an "eye-roll" emoticon large enough for this sort of semantic gymnastics.

All anti-magic means is that it is counter to magic. That doesn't place limitations of any kind on it. 

[Willowhugger]

Red Lyrium is confirmed anti-magic, though. It's not the same as normal lyrium, which is arguably the source of all magical power in Thedas. 

 

Yeah, but it's anti-magic which can animate statues and call down fire from the sky and bestow superpowers.

That's less "abjuration school of magic" and more "Yellow Lantern Ring."

[Master Warder Z_]

Ring

 

The RING!

 

[Br3admax]

Yeah, but it's anti-magic which can animate statues and call down fire from the sky and bestow superpowers.

That's less "abjuration school of magic" and more "Yellow Lantern Ring."

Stop. All these DC references and green hand powers are enough. 

[Sir DeLoria]

Templars because...



...Templars have style...



...and mages don't

[Master Warder Z_]

Stop. All these DC references and green hand powers are enough. 

 

Some one's a marvel fan

[WillieStyle]

All anti-magic means is that it is counter to magic. That doesn't place limitations of any kind on it. 

 

So what does the fact that it is "anti-magic" have to do with public policy in Thedas?  The point of the circles is to protect the rest of us from possessed people with "supernatural" powers.  Why would villagers who are tormented by an animated statue (for example) care if it was animated by magic or anti-magic?  The point is to prevent this sort of bad stuff from happening.  So for the upteenth time, why not focus on detecting and eradicating supernatural influences?  The circle of magi, and other specifically anti-mage policies, not only lead to strife, they make it easier for "anti-magic" supernatural evil-doers to go unchecked.

[Icy Magebane]

Of course, we also see a bunch of Templar Abominations attack us in the Circle in Fereldan too.

The Desire Demon takes over that Templar after all.

There's also Sophia Dryden.

So places where the Veil is Thin means that normal people can be possessed too.

I'd say survivors are so rare, though, this isn't common knowledge.

Those were possessed Templars not Templar abominations... of course demons in the mortal realm would be able to control minds...

 

And Sophia Dryden was a corpse.  Spirits and demons can possess corpses and inanimate objects where the Veil is thin.  This is the explanation for all DA zombies, undead, Sylvans, etc.

[Willowhugger]

The RING!

 

I really hope the Elder One is Thedas Sauron.

I don't want him to be anything less.

[BloodKaiden]

They wish to cure us. But I say to you, WE are the cure! The cure for that infirm, imperfect condition called "homosapiens"! They have their weapons... *lifts staff and causes himself to glow* ... we have ours. We will strike with a vengeance and a fury that this world has never witnessed!

Brotherhood of Mutants ftw!

[lil yonce]

I'm siding with the mages.

 

I've decided that my canon Inquisitor will be a once well adjusted, even religious, Trevelyan circle mage now facing bitter disillusionment and anger at the Circle's collapse. Her space is a no templar flex zone.

[rigron]

hello rigron really glad your part of the BSN now dont mind the heated disscussion. its usualy not this heated but feel free to talk with us

Thanks!

 

Don´t worry, I really enjoy seeing people enthusiastic with the game´s world, I am too and althought sometimes a bit of enthusiams can have a heated outcome at the end of the day everything here is about enjoying the site and sharing our views and opinions

[Br3admax]

So what does the fact that it is "anti-magic" have to do with public policy in Thedas?  The point of the circles is to protect the rest of us from possessed people with "supernatural" powers.  Why would villagers who are tormented by an animated statue (for example) care if it was animated by magic or anti-magic?  The point is to prevent this sort of bad stuff from happening.  So for the upteenth time, why not focus on detecting and eradicating supernatural influences?  The circle of magi, and other specifically anti-mage policies, not only lead to strife, they make it easier for "anti-magic" supernatural evil-doers to go unchecked.

I'd respond, but I don't think you're quite sure what you're arguing. 

[Willowhugger]

Those were possessed Templars not Templar abominations... of course demons in the mortal realm would be able to control minds...

 

And Sophia Dryden was corpse.  Spirits and demons can possess corpses and inanimate objects where the Veil is thin.  This is the explanation for all DA zombies, undead, Sylvans, etc.

 

The fact Sophia Dryden is hyper-intelligent, capable of leading a cult of mortals (DA2), and commanding the undead/supernatural means that I don't think there's all that much difference between a corpse and a mage.

[Master Warder Z_]

I really hope the Elder One is Thedas Sauron.

I don't want him to be anything less.

 

Eh the Sauron of the third era was nothing but the pasty and dried up husk of a once great Ainur.

 

Although! Sauron has  nothing on his ultimate master, The first, and most grand and powerful of his race.

 

But we are drifting, i understand the sentiment, but if we go by what you propose...The Elder one is basically nothing but a lackey for an even worse evil.

[Icy Magebane]

The fact Sophia Dryden is hyper-intelligent, capable of leading a cult of mortals (DA2), and commanding the undead/supernatural means that I don't think there's all that much difference between a corpse and a mage.

The average pride demon is smarter than the average human commoner... once they are inside a body they can do whatever they want with it.

 

edit:  If this is related to abominations, however, a mage's connection to the Fade is what determines an abomination's power.  This is why Sylvans cannot cast magic spells and Reveants cast spells commonly associated with demons... there are no innate magical powers for the spirit/demon to amplify if they are not possessing a mage.

[Lulupab]

A possessed mage is immune to tranquility and Lyrium because the fade entity grants infinite connection to the fade (Duh) and the lyrium can be harnessed by it. In your face Templars. V for Vengeance.

[ManOfSteel]

Mages FTW!

[Master Warder Z_]

Gah stop with all the bloody Warhammer picture spam.

 

It isn't even Tau! and therefore its horrible.

[Willowhugger]

Seriously, though, Mages are no better or no worse than other humans in Thedas and the problem is that other humans in Thedas are real jackasses. We encounter mages who when granted phenomenal cosmic power, want to abuse it. This is no different than humans with swords who use that power to become bandits or dominate lesser mortals. Fenris thinks mages are worse than regular people at accumulating power and dominating lesser beings--I'm afraid to say I think he underestimates the capacity for evil in others as a whole.

 

This, of course, means that the fears about mages are NOT unjustified even if we take the spirit thing out of the equation. As mentioned, both my Hawke and Warden were dramatically Pro-Mage Anti-Templar types who would have been fine with Anders starting his war if not for the fact he did it under a helpless blind lady.

 

However, both of them ended up killing a near-ridiculous number of their fellow mages.

 

It's apparently, A LOT to ask of your fellow mages to say, "Can you guys try NOT being evil?"

Mage Warden released Jowan but the staggering DISAPPOINTMENT he felt in his friend never really healed.

When he finds out about Anders he's going to be doubly furious.

 

Mage Hawke was tempted to join the Templars for a split second because, Maker ALMIGHTY, Kirkwall's Circle is the cesspit of his people. Orsino turning into a Harvester just confirmed for him what he'd suspected all along--that said Circle was rotten from the top down. He STILL helped them, though but felt unclean afterward.