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[lil yonce]

If this were true, wouldn't we see a large number of violent incidents involving demons within the Circles?  Those mages cast spells with lyrium only.  The fact that the Veil isn't inadvertently torn within the Circles from time to time should tell you that lyrium based spellcasting is quite safe.

Standard spell casting is safest for harrowed mages. A mage that has not been harrowed is only an apprentice - they haven't began a real career in the circle. I would think that upper level spells are more risky than spells apprentices learn as they require a mage draw more power from the fade. And lyrium and mana are not the same thing. You don't cast from lyrium - lyrium is used to replenish a mage's mana stores so that they may cast more spells or to bolster their mana so that they can cast spells beyond their ability, but a mage casts by drawing power from the fade if they are not using blood magic.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I don't think mages can control natural phenomena like that. If the fire is magical in nature sure, but actual fire? Not so sure. Otherwise Dragons wouldn't really be such awe inspiring creatures, would they? And how would the fire in the Starkhaven Circle ever have gotten out of control?

Actually, I'd probably be willing to put money on the Starkhaven fire being magical.

[Lulupab]

Ice, yes. But not water...unfortunately. 

I always though the reason they don't is the fact that its useless. Ice is always better. Besides flash freezing fire is always better than splashing water.

[Master Warder Z_]

Standard spell casting is safest for harrowed mages. A mage that has not been harrowed is only an apprentice - they haven't began a real career in the circle. I would think that upper level spells are more risky than spells apprentices learn as they require a mage draw more power from the fade. And lyrium and mana are not the same thing. You don't cast from lyrium - lyrium is used to replenish a mage's mana stores so that they may cast more spells or it to bolster their mana so that they can cast spells beyond their ability, but a mage casts by drawing power from the fade if they are not using blood magic.

 

Add in that the side effects of Lyrium usage for mages are extreme and damaging and i can see why only senior magi really bother with using it.

[Master Warder Z_]

Actually, I'd probably be willing to put money on the Starkhaven fire being magical.

 

Then they are even more limited.

 

Honestly though how does a circle burn?

 

Every circle we have seen/heard of was a stonework construction, stone doesn't burn very well unless if the temperature is ridiculous and then its more like to just melt.

[TTTX]

i agree

thank you monkey, have a banana on me.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Then they are even more limited.

 

Honestly though how does a circle burn?

 

Every circle we have seen/heard of was a stonework construction, stone doesn't burn very well unless if the temperature is ridiculous and then its more like to just melt.

Was the Circle building destroyed? Or was it just temporarily less of a suitable place to hold the mages?

[raging_monkey]

Then they are even more limited. Honestly though how does a circle burn? Every circle we have seen/heard of was a stonework construction, stone doesn't burn very well unless if the temperature is ridiculous and then its more like to just melt.

it was ALOT of fire lol and i mean alot

[Hellion Rex]

I always though the reason they don't is the fact that its useless. Ice is always better. Besides flash freezing fire is always better than splashing water.

Simply condense the water vapor in the air within their lungs. Instant drowning. In that regard, water could possibly kill people more easily.

[Hellion Rex]

I don't think mages can control natural phenomena like that. If the fire is magical in nature sure, but actual fire? Not so sure. Otherwise Dragons wouldn't really be such awe inspiring creatures, would they? And how would the fire in the Starkhaven Circle ever have gotten out of control?

I believe Dragonfire is a whole different beast altogether. And for the Starkhaven Circle, why not let it go out of control?

I think it'd be a rare talent to manipulate flames well enough to dispel the natural version. However, if there were a mage capable, my bet is on Adrian.

Then again, that kind of ability might require much more precision and finesse, and Adrian just has raw power.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Simply condense the water vapor in the air within their lungs. Instant drowning.

Condense the water vapor in the air within a tankard. Clean drink that doesn't impair your judgement.

 

Condense the water vapor in the air into a wound before healing. Said wound is no longer quite so unhygienic.

[Master Warder Z_]

Was the Circle building destroyed? Or was it just temporarily less of a suitable place to hold the mages?

 

They claimed the circle was burnt down in DA 2 so who knows, but given the Gallows didn't receive a massive influx of incoming mages and that in act 2 years after the event, the first enchanter of the starkhaven circle is still presumably there, i'd guess it just wasn't fit for temporary habitation.

 

I think it was just mage ego stroking that they claimed the destruction of the circle.

 

Its obviously still there.

[Hellion Rex]

Condense the water vapor in the air within a tankard. Clean drink that doesn't impair your judgement.

Condense the water vapor in the air into a wound before healing. Said wound is no longer quite so unhygienic.

I really want water magic now lol. I'm on a bit of a waterbending kick right now.

[TTTX]

I mean circle mages as shown in da2.

Ahhh, there were a couple of mages from that circle that blood magic for power and stuff ass seen with Huon the elf.

 

And the Kirkwall circle is not the best example of a circle, it has a pretty bad reputation over all even Orlais think they are to harsh with the mages.

According to the Asunder novel the circles was pretty okay to live in, of course things could be better, but it worked, but after the events in Kirkwall things changed between the Templars and Mages.

[The Baconer]

Never have i seen a templar beg a mage for mercy, i have never seen them stop fighting period, they are a foe that will engage the enemy until death.

 

Cullen: The Backdown™

[Sir DeLoria]

Yes, but can an army outside reach these wooden parts on a reasonably well designed castle?

Yes, catapults will eventually breakthrough parts of the wall and fire arrows will set it ablaze.

[Master Warder Z_]

Cullen: The Backdown™

 

Cullen is a templar?

 

I don't consider himself such, maybe on paper like Thrask.

 

But in spirit? no, It isn't even for that "back down" supposedly. Despite that event not even counting given that he never drew his blade on the champion period.

 

But anyway, i don't consider the man in question a Templar, because let his view shift, he let his personal feelings interfere with his duty, he stopped being a soldier of the Maker, a holy warrior and became yet another traitor to his vows.

 

I'd say the same even if he had marched with Lambert, that should tell you my view on the subject.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Yes, catapults will eventually breakthrough parts of the wall and fire arrows will set it ablaze.

Hell, a few oil filled jugs launched at the wall itself, then set ablaze. The temperature would eventually rise high enough that the mortar would melt, and the section of the castle would collapse.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Or it could just be smarter not to... die. Sure, Templars are honor bound and that has it's merits, but so is the mages' guerrilla mentality. And it's said in the codex that Templars are recruited on the strength of their religious fervor over actual ability. Is it so surprising that they'd be willing to die for their cause?

I thought they were recruited for a combination of the two, and it was moral strength that fell by the wayside?

[The Baconer]

Cullen is a templar?

 

I don't consider himself such, maybe on paper like Thrask.

 

But in spirit? no, It isn't even for that "back down" supposedly. Despite that event not even counting given that he never drew his blade on the champion period.

 

But anyway, i don't consider the man in question a Templar, because let his view shift, he let his personal feelings interfere with his duty, he stopped being a soldier of the Maker, a holy warrior and became yet another traitor to his vows.

 

I'd say the same even if he had marched with Lambert, that should tell you my view on the subject.

 

No True Templar™

[Master Warder Z_]

Or it could just be smarter not to... die.

 

Really? What does that accomplish to be honest? Don't get me wrong, the tactic works well when its employed correctly, but it isn't being employed correctly here as you claim.

 

Sure you maintain life, and i am not even speaking about terms of honor or warrior mentality at the moment, but purely practicality.

 

But if you flee, your position disintegrates behind you.

 

You can no longer approach the matter from a position of strength, hence why the mage retreat to Andoral to me was so telling; If you cannot meet your opponent on the field you cannot defeat them.

 

It isn't Guerrilla tactics, its not being committed to your cause.

 

And it's why the mages chances of winning their struggle was always a remote chance to me, if you aren't willing to meet the enemy in battle, even on your own terms, you cannot defeat them.

 

That whole "let them defeat themselves" mentality the Vietcong espoused stops holding weight when you realize that after TET they were all but dead in the water anyway, their approach to the matter failed as surely as the american withdrawal led to Stalinist rule of the country.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Hell, a few oil filled jugs launched at the wall itself, then set ablaze. The temperature would eventually rise high enough that the mortar would melt, and the section of the castle would collapse.

Wait, if it's that easy why are we wondering how the Circle in Starkhaven burned down?

 

Also, if the mages decided to cast an ice spell to put the fire out, could the Templars stop them? Would they be within range to stop the mages?

[MisterJB]

Cullen: The Backdown™

Not only was Cullen already holding reservations before the Annulment started, he never wished to kill the Champion.

He probably didn't want to have anyone else dying that day for something he never did want to begin with. He wasn't afraid to die, all he would have to do was hide behind the army of Templars and let them deal with Hawke.