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#1776
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Not only was Cullen already holding reservations before the Annulment started, he never wished to kill the Champion.

He probably didn't want to have anyone else dying that day for something he never did want to begin with. He wasn't afraid to die, all he would have to do was hide behind the army of Templars and let them deal with Hawke.

 

Doing a very Shepard like

 

"Charge!"



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Wall 'o Text

 

You're speaking in hypotheticals. DA:I will be the first time we get to actually see the Mage-Templar war and with organized tactics employed. I haven't read Asunder, but I was under the impression that the war begins as result of it's events. Though, I will admit that the Templars do look like the winning side since it's pretty much always been a paramilitary organization. However never underestimate a cause. Castro and Guevara were able to oust Bautista with unpaid revolutionaries.



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He wasn't afraid to die, all he would have to do was hide behind the army of Templars and let them deal with Hawke.

Now that just doesn't seem like a valid interpretation of his body language.



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Meh I put it as them backing away because who really wants to die over Meredith's stupidity. Templars have lives and families too and throwing them away on someone who didn't even start hostilities is pointless.



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You're speaking in hypotheticals. DA:I will be the first time we get to actually see the Mage-Templar war and with organized tactics employed. I haven't read Asunder, but I was under the impression that the war begins as result of it's events. Though, I will admit that the Templars do look like the winning side since it's pretty much always been a paramilitary organization. However never underestimate a cause. Castro and Guevara were able to oust Bautista with unpaid revolutionaries.

 

Batista didn't have access to a force that was designed specifically to kill communist insurgents.



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Standard spell casting is safest for harrowed mages. A mage that has not been harrowed is only an apprentice - they haven't began a real career in the circle. I would think that upper level spells are more risky than spells apprentices learn as they require a mage draw more power from the fade. And lyrium and mana are not the same thing. You don't cast from lyrium - lyrium is used to replenish a mage's mana stores so that they may cast more spells or to bolster their mana so that they can cast spells beyond their ability, but a mage casts by drawing power from the fade if they are not using blood magic.

Sorry, I got sloppy and started using the two terms interchangeably...  my point still got across, I hope.  Normal, mana-based spellcasting cannot be considered to be more risky than blood-based spellcasting since it is used by all Circle mages yet does not result in demons swarming into the mortal realm on a regular basis, if ever.  The idea that blood magic is somehow safer because it supposedly doesn't draw power directly from the Fade is conjecture at best.  We even have an example of blood magic being used specifically to draw power from a demon in DA2 when Merrill uses blood to open the barrier to Sundermount.  Although she disagrees on the exact nature of the creature, she admits to calling one and used blood magic to do so, thus blood magic does not bypass the Fade entirely and is clearly shown to be capable of drawing the attention of spirits and demons.



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Batista didn't have access to a force that was designed specifically to kill communist insurgents.

 

Kind of moot when you live 90 minutes off the coast of Florida.



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Now that just doesn't seem like a valid interpretation of his body language.

 

Your going to take body language cues from DA?

 

._.

 

The games famous for *blank stares*, *dead eyes*, *lazy slouch even when preparing for battle* 

 

Seriously, don't.



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Meh I put it as them backing away because who really wants to die over Meredith's stupidity. Templars have lives and families too and throwing them away on someone who didn't even start hostilities is pointless.

Actually, Templars aren't encouraged to have outside attachments. They have a duty.

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Kind of moot when you live 90 minutes off the coast of Florida.

 

What does that even mean?

 

It was a popular spot for a couple of bigwigs sure, but they was no American intervention, There were no American forces, so what the hell does this even have to do with what i said?



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What does that even mean?

 

It was a popular spot for a couple of bigwigs sure, but they was no American intervention, There were no American forces, so what the hell does this even have to do with what i said?

 

C'mon man. No American intervention? At a time when the CIA and FBI were practically foreign and domestic policy.



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C'mon man. No American intervention? At a time when the CIA and FBI were practically foreign and domestic policy.

 

-_- it doesn't have much to do with the comparison, and if you can find a few records of a an elite military strike team, killing communists by the score, more power to you.

 

But ultimately the Cuban Army wasn't designed to kill their foe in this instance, Templars train, and are prepared solely to combat mages and their abilities.



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Your going to take body language cues from DA?

 

._.

 

The games famous for *blank stares*, *dead eyes*, *lazy slouch even when preparing for battle* 

 

Seriously, don't.

Just because they're shoddy with facial expressions doesn't mean that there's many ways to interpret "slowly backing away from the guy who just killed your boss."



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C'mon man. No American intervention? At a time when the CIA and FBI were practically foreign and domestic policy.

No effective American intervention. There was the Bay Of Pigs, but I was under the impression that that was more comical than anything else.



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Just because they're shoddy with facial expressions doesn't mean that there's many ways to interpret "slowly backing away from the guy who just killed your boss."


if you look closely the people who Hawke looks at back away faster :P

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He wasn't afraid to die, all he would have to do was hide behind the army of Templars and let them deal with Hawke.

 

"He wasn't afraid to die, all he would have to do is hide like a punk"

 

Seriously though, if Carroll, the phylactery chamber guard from Asunder, Wesley, Cullen (apparently), Alistair, and their track record so far in Inquisition are anything to go by, Templar discipline is being grossly overrated.



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Just because they're shoddy with facial expressions doesn't mean that there's many ways to interpret "slowly backing away from the guy who just killed your boss."

 

You mean back to the lines of dozens of your compatriots who would no doubt die if you command them to?

 

Seriously, Cullen snapped his finger and Hawke would have been swamped by Templars inside of thirty seconds.



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Meh I put it as them backing away because who really wants to die over Meredith's stupidity. Templars have lives and families too and throwing them away on someone who didn't even start hostilities is pointless.

Not to mention Hawke and company along with Cullen took down Meredith who was super powered by red lyrium, let's face it unless you are crazy you aren't going go up against some like that.

 

 

Actually, Templars aren't encouraged to have outside attachments. They have a duty.

It doesn't mean they don't have them.



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if you look closely the people who Hawke looks at back away faster :P

"Oh, (#*$^@, I'm first in line to fight this guy."



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Alistair

 

Alistair isn't a templar, he's just a lyrium junkie.



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Batista didn't have access to a force that was designed specifically to kill communist insurgents.


That's not the main strength of Templars. Numbers, best equipment and supplies including lyrium and favor of people are more important. In DA:I they lost most of it and its also why its confirmed the war will be balanced on its own and only the Inquisition can tip the balance.

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You mean back to the lines of dozens of your compatriots who would no doubt die if you command them to?

 

Seriously, Cullen snapped his finger and Hawke would have been swamped by Templars inside of thirty seconds.

The other Templars didn't seem eager to fight Hawke either.



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Templars train, and are prepared solely to combat mages and their abilities.

 

More that just mages. Rogue mages, undead, demons, and abominations if we're being specific. But most of them seem to forget that.

 

And even then, the answer to all that training and lyrium swilling is this... BloodMage-Icon-DA2.png



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The other Templars didn't seem eager to fight Hawke either.

 

They would have, if given the order, on that i would bet money.

 

Unlike Meredith i doubt any rumors of Cullen's insanity were being spread among the Templars.

 

Beyond that? Hawke was wheezy and staggering around like a drunk, i doubt they could have resisted much more.



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Alistair isn't a templar, he's just a lyrium junkie.

 

Only had vows and a vigil left between him and knighthood.

 

To be realistic, it looks like the Templar recruitment and training process... leaves much to be desired.