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[Master Warder Z_]

indeed Rolan survived Anders' spell but he drank Lyrium just recently and those Templars who didn't melted.

 

Non canon.

 

[The Baconer]

Cullen had the authority to relieve of command once he deemed her unfit, so how exactly does he not have the authority to order an attack?

 

He was acting Knight Commander after he death, Gaider said that.

 

How could he deem her unfit if Hawke is literally guilty of aiding apostates and maleficar by their own code, or is an apostate or maleficar his/herself? Meredith certainly wasn't dead by this point.

 

Since Cullen is by your own word a traitorous and fake Templar... does that mean the other Templars present are traitors too for abandoning the Order's code?

[lil yonce]

Yet this never happens in the Circle, where all mages cast spells using mana... If there was a high degree of risk involved, mages wouldn't be allowed to cast spells at all.  Care to address that point?  Where are you even getting the idea that normal spellcasting can cause a mage to become possessed?  If it's based on your theory that a mage is temporarily inside the Fade whenever they cast a spell, I'll tell you right now that I disagree with your argument.

Full mages are harrowed - they've had to prove that they can resist a demon. That's the reason behind the test. Spell casting is dangerous - it draws attention in the fade. The templars do no want mages who haven't proven they can resist demons to do it.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Non canon.

 

Does that explain why he's basically a god in that story?

[Icy Magebane]

Full mages are harrowed - they've had to prove that they can resist a demon. That's the reason behind the harrowing.

And?

 

Just saw the edit...

 

Full mages are harrowed - they've had to prove that they can resist a demon. That's the reason behind the test. Spell casting is dangerous - it draws attention in the fade. The templars do no want mages who haven't proven they can resist demons to do it.

So... that means that instead, they should allow the Circle to use blood magic because then the Harrowing would be unnecessary... since blood magic (supposedly) doesn't open the caster to the Fade in any way.... is that what you are suggesting?

[Master Warder Z_]

How could he deem her unfit if Hawke is literally guilty of aiding apostates and maleficar by their own code, or is an apostate or maleficar his/herself? Meredith certainly wasn't dead by this point.

 

Since Cullen is by your own word a traitorous and fake Templar... does that mean the other Templars present are traitors too for abandoning the Order's code?

 

Because he disagreed with the execution of the champion based on her reasoning?

 

Do you need to rewatch the ending again?

 

Beyond, This has nothing to do with the fact her Meredith's death, he was acting Knight commander and had the authority to send wave after wave of templars at Hawke.

[Lulupab]

Non canon.

Stop that none sense. All characters of DA2 have short stories written by their respective writers and all of them are canon. They are vital to show us what the characters were doing before becoming a companion in DA2 or simply what they did between the two games they were present. Its not a comic written by god knows who, the writers of the short stories also wrote the characters for the game and Jennifer Hepler is no different. I think she actually said its canon, WOT and Wiki considers it canon anyway.

[Master Warder Z_]

One blood mage > one templar. There's no discussion here. Combat superiority doesn't change the Templar's merits as far as causes or their organized military superiority. If you can't realize that then I'm sorry. Maybe someone else will enlighten you. 

 

There is no discussion?

 

Right, Mage launches spell, it physically kills their body to do so and weakens them if its blood magic and then if they proceed to do it again, why would that just domino?

 

If the Templars take the hit and keep coming, the mage will either drop dead from their own usage of their blood as mana or from a templar attack, Because i'll tell you this.

 

Mages might be more versatile but that doesn't grant them superiority by default.

[LobselVith8]

Does that explain why he's basically a god in that story?

 

It's utterly horrible and nonsensical; it's one of those few things that pro-mage and pro-templar players tend to agree on.

[Master Warder Z_]

Stop that none sense.

 

Take it up with Gaider.

 

I take his word over your own, as i said before.

[Master Warder Z_]

It's utterly horrible and nonsensical; it's one of those few things that pro-mage and pro-templar players tend to agree on.

 

Indeed.

[Lulupab]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you saying a few days ago that the short story could not be used to confirm Anders being a cannibalistic abomination because it wasn't canon? Which one is it? You can't pick and choose which parts to accept and which to reject...

As for the rest of your post, Templars are trained to kill abominations. Anders isn't so unique that he can't be defeated by standard procedure.

I didn't exactly said that. I said he is not a real cannibal because he does not specifically cook/eat meat. When he kills Rolan his blood splashes into his mouth and the Vengeance form of Anders likes it. Its fitting the Vengeance theme and you do know the concept of "the blood of my enemy"?. He actually has an ability with this exact name in the game. When he is in Vengeance mod and kills someone he is healed.

Also Templars have never been able to easily deal with a pride demon, If Anders is as strong I don't see why its not possible.

[Lulupab]

Take it up with Gaider.

I take his word over your own, as i said before.

Gaider said COMICS are none-canon. Character short stories are canon so you have to take my word and Hepler's word.

I do have problems with the story too but lets not pretend things.

[Icy Magebane]

I didn't exactly said that. I said he is not a real cannibal because he does not specifically cook/eat meat. When he kills Rolan his blood splashes into his mouth and the Vengeance form of Anders likes it. Its fitting the Vengeance theme and you do know the concept of "the blood of my enemy"?. He actually has an ability with this exact name in the game. When he is in Vengeance mod and kills someone he is healed.

Also Templars have never been able to easily deal with a pride demon, If Anders is as strong I don't see why its not possible.

Okay... I guess that's fair.

 

With regard to the second part, I never said that it was easy to kill abominations of any kind, I said that Templars are trained to fight them.  Anders is an abomination and it stands to reason that their normal tactics would work.  Recall that the Rivaini Circle of magi was filled with Seers who were similar to Anders... mages with a willing, symbiotic bond to spirits... yet they still fell against the Rite of Annulment.  Spirit bonding does not make a mage immune to the Templars' abilities and they train knowing that they may face exactly that kind of creature.

[Master Warder Z_]

so you have to take my word and Hepler's word.

 

No i don't.

[The Baconer]

Because he disagreed with the execution of the champion based on her reasoning?

 

Based on her reasoning that, what, Hawke had literally just finished murdering Templars in defense of a Blood Mage? A Hawke who could also be a blood mage? And you would defer to Cullen's suggestion that they be spared the Maker's judgement?

 

Warder, I find you conviction to the Order's holy mandate quite suspect.

 

 

Do you need to rewatch the ending again?

 

I don't need to, you're the one who bet money on Templars not disobeying an order to attack, while forgetting that they did exactly that.

[Lulupab]

Okay... I guess that's fair.
 
With regard to the second part, I never said that it was easy to kill abominations of any kind, I said that Templars are trained to fight them.  Anders is an abomination and it stands to reason that their normal tactics would work.  Recall that the Rivaini Circle of magi was filled with Seers who were similar to Anders... mages with a willing, symbiotic bond to spirits... yet they still fell against the Rite of Annulment.  Spirit bonding does not make a mage immune to the Templars' abilities and they train knowing that they may face exactly that kind of creature.

There are many conclusions and short story being wrong is one of them. As I said its badly written but there is no indication its not canon and there are short stories for other characters too and they all seem pretty good and correct and all of them are considered canon.

Anyway another conclusion might be the fact that Anders faced a group of templars and not a whole brigade of them. Or maybe the seers are not abominations and simply "flirt" with the spirits. Also I never said it makes you immune to Templar powers, it just makes it much harder especially if the abomination is spirit based because the human and spirit work together and overall work better than demonic ones. Demons are just too driven by malice and don't know anything about the waking world.

[Master Warder Z_]

Based on her reasoning that, what, Hawke had literally just finished murdering Templars in defense of a Blood Mage? A Hawke who could also be a blood mage? And you would defer to Cullen's suggestion that they be spared the Maker's judgement?

 

I don't have to, I don't need to support his reasoning to point out that was the reason why he didn't go along with it.

 

Blame the logical inconsistencies on the people who made the project.

[Lulupab]

No i don't.

Suit your self, as Flemeth said you are required to do nothing. But the evidence is against it. Although WOT and Wiki simply mention Anders kills some Templars and grey wardens before going to Kirkwall so the horrible details might not actually be canon but Anders did kill them. One thing is for certain however that Anders killed Rolan if no one else.

[The Baconer]

Blame the logical inconsistencies on the people who made the project.

 

I wont... Because those inconsistencies made me 20 Bison Dollars today.

[Master Warder Z_]

I wont... Because those inconsistencies made me 20 Bison Dollars today.

 

How, you didn't prove that Cullen wouldn't have the authority to immediately turn around attack Hawke the moment the combat concluded with Meredith.

 

Which if i recall was the entire point, You went on a little diatribe on how his authority was invalidated by his reasoning being uncharacteristic of a templar or something to that effect, which i don't dispute.

 

But that doesn't change the fact he was acting Knight Commander thus had the authority to order the templars to attack.

 

Beyond that, not much was said.

[Icy Magebane]

There are many conclusions and short story being wrong is one of them. As I said its badly written but there is no indication its not canon and there are short stories for other characters too and they all seem pretty good and correct and all of them are considered canon.

Anyway another conclusion might be the fact that Anders faced a group of templars and not a whole brigade of them. Or maybe the seers are not abominations and simply "flirt" with the spirits. Also I never said it makes you immune to Templar powers, it just makes it much harder especially if the abomination is spirit based because the human and spirit work together and overall work better than demonic ones. Demons are just too driven by malice and don't know anything about the waking world.

I was agreeing with you... I don't particularly care about the short story but I accept what you said about the blood splashing in his mouth, etc... it's not a big deal to me, so I'm not going to argue against your interpretation.

 

Also, I am not disagreeing that Anders is powerful.  I am merely saying that Templars have been dealing with abominations for centuries and I doubt that Anders is the most powerful abomination to ever walk the planet.  Thus, I would assume that he can be defeated the same as any other creature of his type.  Furthermore, underestimating the power of a Pride Demon is often a big mistake... they are notoriously cunning and command considerable magical power.  Only the lesser demons like Rage and Hunger lack understanding of the mortal world.  Desire, Pride, and Sloth demons understand it well and are able to do a lot even when they possess relatively weak mages.

[Lulupab]

Does it matter? Cullen used the remaining Templars to rally the city. If he attacked Hawke and died in vain the city would have followed. So he was indeed smart not to attack Hawke.

You kill triple the amount of Templars before reaching Meredith, why do you think some more would matter to Hawke given that their big boss is now dead too.

[Cainhurst Crow]

So... that means that instead, they should allow the Circle to use blood magic because then the Harrowing would be unnecessary... since blood magic (supposedly) doesn't open the caster to the Fade in any way.... is that what you are suggesting?

How does magic that allows you to enter the fade and attack a persons mind through it, and allows one to tear open holes in the fade, not open the caster to the fade?