How, you didn't prove that Cullen wouldn't have the authority to immediately turn around attack Hawke the moment the combat concluded with Meredith.
Why would I disprove that? He had the authority, he (and those he commanded) just punked out.
Now, when a direct order to attack was issued from the previous person to have that authority, the Templars disobeyed. Prequel to the Backdown™.
How does magic that allows you to enter the fade and attack a persons mind through it, and allows one to tear open holes in the fade, not open the caster to the fade?
Uh... I didn't come up with the idea? Why are you asking me?
I was agreeing with you... I don't particularly care about the short story but I accept what you said about the blood splashing in his mouth, etc... it's not a big deal to me, so I'm not going to argue against your interpretation.
Also, I am not disagreeing that Anders is powerful. I am merely saying that Templars have been dealing with abominations for centuries and I doubt that Anders is the most powerful abomination to ever walk the planet. Thus, I would assume that he can be defeated the same as any other creature of his type. Furthermore, underestimating the power of a Pride Demon is often a big mistake... they are notoriously cunning and command considerable magical power. Only the lesser demons like Rage and Hunger lack understanding of the mortal world. Desire, Pride, and Sloth demons understand it well and are able to do a lot even when they possess relatively weak mages.
So... that means that instead, they should allow the Circle to use blood magic because then the Harrowing would be unnecessary... since blood magic (supposedly) doesn't open the caster to the Fade in any way.... is that what you are suggesting?
I was debunking another poster's assertion that blood magic as a rule opens a mage to demonic possession when the school is embraced for the exact opposite reason. Blood magic is the safer route. I wasn't using it to debate circle politics - I was stating a fact.
But, yes, the circle should employ blood magic wherever possible in addition to standard spellcasting in a range of disciplines for its very useful practical applications. And, yes, rather than condemn a mage deemed too "weak" to resist demons to tranquility, I would endorse their learning blood powered magic as it carries no risk of possession.
Its too powerful a school to waste on fear. I wouldn't suggest using only blood as fuel, however. Its impractical and dangerous for all mages to use only blood as a power source. Too much blood in one area, and battles have the same effect, can rip the veil.
Too much magic in one location period, especially over long periods of time, thins and eventually rips the veil - that's why many circle like the white spire, for example, have thin veils - but as magic is too useful to eradicate, circle towers exist. The same consideration should be applied to blood magic.
Why would I disprove that? He had the authority, he (and those he commanded) just punked out.
Now, when a direct order to attack was issued from the previous person to have that authority, the Templars disobeyed. Prequel to the Backdown™.
The Templars disobeyed presumably because the Knight Captain spoke up.
You claim the Templars "punked out" I think its more akin to they took Cullen's lead in the matter, had he ordered an attack i think they would have followed through, hence the whole tense silence moment.
Cullen had the numbers, the skill and the ability to end the champion in the gallows right there, he had dozens of Templars with him, and unlike the Champion and company, they were fresh and ready for combat.
They hadn't just fought a battle from hell against a crazed Meredith and Harvestino.
The same consideration should be applied to blood magic.
It really shouldn't.
The Templars disobeyed presumably because the Knight Captain spoke up.
You claim the Templars "punked out" I think its more akin to they took Cullen's lead in the matter, had he ordered an attack i think they would have followed through, hence the whole tense silence moment.
Cullen had the numbers, the skill and the ability to end the champion in the gallows right there, he had dozens of Templars with him, and unlike the Champion and company, they were fresh and ready for combat.
They hadn't just fought a battle from hell against a crazed Meredith and Harvestino.
They were most likely battling the leftover mages, shades, demons, and animated statues that the Champion and company didn't come across.
You claim the Templars "punked out" I think its more akin to they took Cullen's lead in the matter, had he ordered an attack i think they would have followed through, hence the whole tense silence moment.
Cullen had the numbers, the skill and the ability to end the champion in the gallows right there, he had dozens of Templars with him, and unlike the Champion and company, they were fresh and ready for combat.
Cullen had also expressed that he intended to have the Champion arrested, but then what happens after the Meredith fight?
That was a back down. No johns.
I was debunking another poster's assertion that blood magic as a rule opens a mage to demonic possession when the school is embraced for the exact opposite reason. Blood magic is the safer route. I wasn't using it to debate circle politics - I was stating a fact.
But, yes, the circle should employ blood magic wherever possible in addition to the standard style in a range of disciplines for its very useful practical applications. And, yes, rather than condemn a mage deemed too "weak" to resist demons to tranquility, I would endorse their learning blood powered magic as it carries no risk of possession.
Its too powerful a school to waste on fear. I wouldn't suggest using only blood as fuel, however. Its impractical and dangerous for all mages to use only blood as a power source. Too much blood in one area, and battles have the same effect, can rip the veil.
Too much magic in one location period, especially over long periods of time, thins and eventually rips the veil - that's why many circle like the white spire, for example, have thin veils - but as magic is too useful to eradicate, circle towers exist. The same consideration should be applied to blood magic.
Allowing Circle mages to freely study the one type of magic that the Templars cannot easily defend against is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard. You may as well just open the doors and let them all out rather than wait for the eventual bloody uprising...
Cullen had also expressed that he intended to have the Champion arrested, but then what happens after the Meredith fight?
That was a back down. No johns.
No, he expressed his belief that was the plan that Meredith intended to use.
So unless if you make the leap of logic he backed said plan beyond it merely being his orders at the time, it really isn't a back down.
They were most likely battling the leftover mages, shades, demons, and animated statues that the Champion and company didn't come across.
Left over mages? Demons, and summons?
Unless if Kirkwall was an utter joke, There is only one entrance and one exit.
Aka the path the Champion, Cullen and Meredith and company took when they enter during a pro templar playthrough.
Beyond that? Given the Champion encounters no resistance going to the entrance of the Gallows in a pro mage playthrough after Orsino died, presumably the circle had been mostly secured and the fighting ended.
So i doubt the entire force was battle fatigued.
Allowing Circle mages to freely study the one type of magic that the Templars cannot easily defend against is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard. You may as well just open the doors and let them all out rather than wait for the eventual bloody uprising...
Your pro-templar is showing, so I think we're done.
Your pro-templar is showing, so I think we're done.
And your pro worst thing to happen in the entire history of Thedas since the ancient age is showing.
Left over mages? Demons, and summons?
Unless if Kirkwall was an utter joke, There is only one entrance and one exit.
Aka the path the Champion, Cullen and Meredith and company took when they enter during a pro templar playthrough.
Beyond that? Given the Champion encounters no resistance going to the entrance of the Gallows in a pro mage playthrough after Orsino died, presumably the circle had been mostly secured and the fighting ended.
So i doubt the entire force was battle fatigued.
Okay, so that comment actually got under my skin and I responded with emotion so... I'll just leave it at this instead.
Your pro-templar is showing, so I think we're done.
You can believe that if you wish, but the fact is that allowing blood magic to be studied in the Circle would hamper the Templars' ability to keep them contained. This should be obvious, regardless of which side of this argument you or anyone else favors. Whatever bias you think I am holding onto, your argument renders the entire Circle pointless, and therefore it is not a viable option. The natural outcome of this would be that eventually blood mages would use their powers to rebel against the Circle, and it's almost a guarantee that they would be successful in doing so. As I said, why even bother to bring them to the Circle in the first place if you're going to then allow them to study a type of magic that they can use to escape? We don't even need to bring up the possibility of a full rebellion. Heck, one mage could just mind control the guards into letting him walk out...
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No, he expressed his belief that was the plan that Meredith intended to use.
So unless if you make the leap of logic he backed said plan beyond it merely being his orders at the time, it really isn't a back down.
Why would he disagree with arresting the Champion in a pro-mage ending, unless he had already spurned the Order's mandate beforehand?
A preemptive back down is still a back down.
Ohh... are we defending self-mutiliation on a craven path to power and control of others and how it's TOTALLY not a douchebag evil practice again? I love that topic!
So its your turn after br3admax? Stop with this stretch. Pro mage Hawke kills a good chunk of Templars before reaching Meredith
You mean the what? Dozen or so that stream into the chamber before Harvestino becomes a thing?
Less then twenty through out the circle it self?
I get game play reasoning and all, but seriously if even if we bump those numbers up a bit to their "logical" numbers, it still leaves a massive host outside.
And the PC despite your claims clearly isn't invulnerable given that Loghain's Ser Cauthrien proved quite adamantly that the PC can be swamped by skill and numbers.
.-. One Character, PC or no cannot one shot an army in one sitting.
Not in this universe anyway, not from what has been presented yet.
Well if you didn't know it was blood magic and Tevinter's knowledge of blood that created the possibility for grey wardens to exist. You can't dine on darkspawn blood and become a grey warden. Its blood magic.Ohh... are we defending self-mutiliation on a craven path to power and control of others and how it's TOTALLY not a douchebag evil practice again? I love that topic!
Why would he disagree with arresting the Champion in a pro-mage ending, unless he had already spurned the Order's mandate beforehand?
A preemptive back down is still a back down.
Because the burning city in the background needed a government and he couldn't play baby sitter at the moment?
Because he didn't want to inflict further losses on his men?
Because he honestly didn't care by that point about Hawke?
I can think of at least a dozen reasons.
Well if you didn't know it was blood magic and Tevinter's knowledge of blood that created the possibility for grey wardens to exist. You can dine on darkspawn blood and become a grey warden. Its blood magic.
Because using a plain old bowl and masher is just too demeaning for the ancient mages i suppose.
Well if you didn't know it was blood magic and Tevinter's knowledge of blood that created the possibility for grey wardens to exist. You can dine on darkspawn blood and become a grey warden. Its blood magic.
I actually don't really like blood magic, but sometimes its really necessary.
and the habits of one guy's culture of drinking their fallen enemies' blood was also important
beyond that, do we have any specifics that the magic actually requires blood magic and isn't just regular magic performed on blood
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