The person who invented the Litany actually studied blood magic and was not a blood mage. So there is benefit to studying blood magic but surely not everyone should be allowed to do it.
Bah, I doubt it. She might not have been a hardcore practitioner, but I still think she would need first hand knowledge of how blood magic works to create defenses against it. The Chantry probably just didn't want it to be known that they worked with a blood mage.
Maybe taking down an army is very hard
An impossibility.
Really all the templars need to do in this case is form a shield wall and call in their archers.
Hawke and company are skewered by dozens of bolts trying to breach a defensive line, it killed more legendary people then Hawke in our own reality.
The person who invented the Litany actually studied blood magic and was not a blood mage. So there is benefit to studying blood magic but surely not everyone should be allowed to do it.
The person also had to go to Tevinter in order to invent the Litany, it's one of the best places to study various types of magic since they have studied this stuff for close to 2000 years.
The farce of trying to arrest Hawke after the incident, Considering there were demons, mages and alike running rampant through the city at the time.
Why would a Templar enforcing the law be a farce?
Their duty is to protect the common man from magic, unless if Hawke decided to go on a killing spree in kirkwall it would be akin to Aveline's husband temporary forgoing his own hunt for apostates in the face of the blight.
The situation at the Gallows was under control, with more Templars en route. Not so much "forgetting" as it is "dereliction".
I didn't agree with Cullen for letting Hawke go, i honestly believe he could have won the day for the Templars even from the jaws of defeat had he grown a backbone, but this isn't about the "decay" of the order as you see it, it never was.
Then I'm glad we've finally confirmed the Backdown
It was about a point you apparently cannot prove, and trying to claim my many, many bitcoins.
That they would disobey a direct order to attack by a superior? That was already proven.
I think it might be worth the risk in some cases because it would lessen the gap between Templar and mage. If specific mages are given more freedoms once they've proven trustworthy, it might make other mages more hopeful that they too can gain greater respect and autonomy if they consistently follow the rules.
That is true. Just hopefully not picking people who screw it up hard enough the chantry tries to backpedal. According to that mage friend of Hawke's father templars used to bend the rules a bit in regards to certain mages they felt trustworthy.
Hence why you kill or make tranquil the idiots.
The person who invented the Litany actually studied blood magic and was not a blood mage. So there is benefit to studying blood magic but surely not everyone should be allowed to do it.
That's a reasonable attitude. I think that introducing more flexibility into the Circles would be ideal if they are to remain in place. It's just that whoever decides how things are run needs to be both wise and cautious with the introduction of new ideas, especially ones with so much potential to backfire. I don't believe that all mages are inherently prone to abuse power, but to allow everyone to dabble in magic that has proven to be destructive and difficult to control sounds fairly irresponsible to me.
Of course, apostates can study whatever they want to... I'm only commenting on how the Circles should be run.
I think it might be worth the risk in some cases because it would lessen the gap between Templar and mage. If specific mages are given more freedoms once they've proven trustworthy, it might make other mages more hopeful that they too can gain greater respect and autonomy if they consistently follow the rules.
That was was Wynne's idea, honestly.
I'm not sure she's wrong.
The issue is, of course, how much is achievable before folk like Lambert crack down.
And how much is possible to do before someone screws it up for everyone else?
The issue isn't Wynne and Irving.
The issue is Blood Mages and possession-prone folks.
While there are pros and cons to both Mages and Templars I feel that I side with the mages more often than not. Mages were born with their powers and instead of being guided and shown to embrace their powers (with caution) they were instructed that mages were "dangerous" and that magic led to darkness and evil. As a gay man myself I find parallels from the way the Chantry treats mages and the way modern religion tends to look at homosexuality, and by the Chantry essentially lobotomizing mages as a way to make them compliant I have a hard time supporting the templars.
If the templars and mages found a way to coexist I think there would need to be a council of both high standing mages and templars to judge whether the rite of tranquility is necessary in any situation. As it stands I feel as though the Rite is something that is too powerful and too harsh for one person or group to invoke.
However yes, there are mages that misuse their power but I feel as though it is partially because of how mages have been treated, and partially because there is evil in all things. I feel as though if mages were treated with less stigma and taught to use their magic properly without fear, the number of evil/renegade mages would decrease.
Those are my two cents, just an opinion nothing more 
An impossibility.
Really all the templars need to do in this case is form a shield wall and call in their archers.
Hawke and company are skewered by dozens of bolts trying to breach a defensive line, it killed more legendary people then Hawke in our own reality.
The issue is, of course, how much is achievable before folk like Lambert crack down.
You mean "Before folk like Adrian decide to ruin it for everyone else"
That was was Wynne's idea, honestly.
I'm not sure she's wrong.
The issue is, of course, how much is achievable before folk like Lambert crack down.
And how much is possible to do before someone screws it up for everyone else?
The issue isn't Wynne and Irving.The issue is Blood Mages and possession-prone folks.
To be perfectly frank, all that any of us can do is come up with suggestions. In the end, it would be up to the individuals in question to decide whether they want to play by our rules or not... That's how real life works too. No matter what the rules are, it's not up to the guy who designed the system to determine how those rules are interpreted and applied. That's going to fall to individuals today and in future generations. So the best thing that anyone can do is try to come up with a good set of ideas and hope that the people who get picked to enforce those ideas agree with them.
You mean "Before folk like Adrian decide to ruin it for everyone else"
She just had...to force her agenda...
*grits teeth*
You mean "Before folk like Adrian decide to ruin it for everyone else"
You mean "Before folk like Adrian decide to ruin it for everyone else"
I'm sorry, guy tried to destroy the cure for Tranquility.
**** that guy.
But yes, Adrian/Anders romance.
:-)
You always go to limits and say the circle is full of blood mages based on the number we fight until we reach Meredith. By that assumption yes we do kill a chunk of Templars, how else you justify Hawke having a full tour of the circle. All templars who were not at the entrance were naturally killed.
First of all, the Templars that appear on the cutscene are not the exact numbers of Templars that are at the entrance anymore than the mages that appeared in the cutscene were all that there was of the Circle's fighting force.
It's meant to convey a situation, in this case, Hawke is outnumbered and surrounded by Templars; not "Ok, I'm counting 25 Templars, we can totally do this, you guys."
Second, the Circle is not a couple of corridors. There was way more Circle than what we saw.
Seriously, don't try to use the numbers that appear in cutscenes as evidence of the size of a population. Otherwise, there are more criminals than law abiding citizens in Kirkwall and the elven population is a grand total of 15.
As I mentioned over in the Social Satire of Templars and Mages.
It makes me sad there's no way they're going to be able to cover the end of the war with the level of complexity, nuance, and debate I want.
Or that they'll even try.
Why would a Templar enforcing the law be a farce?
The situation at the Gallows was under control, with more Templars en route. Not so much "forgetting" as it is "dereliction".
Then I'm glad we've finally confirmed the Backdown
That they would disobey a direct order to attack by a superior? That was already proven.
Enforcing the law in a situation where the letter of the law is actually doing harm to the spirit of it?
The situation in the city, not so much if the brief bit of it we saw was any indicator.
I didn't say that, i said he lacked the backbone to do what i interpret as his duty at the time.
Because their direct superior said no, and half the order was apparently gossiping she was mad anyway, and she was relieved of command, it isn't as if this is Meredith ordering the Templars to attack Qunari during act 2.
Its not reality is it?
Magneto.
What.
Lambert ruined it far sooner by disbanding college of enchanters.
Because an idiot decision by a bigger fool then Anders.
and by the Chantry essentially lobotomizing mages as a way to make them compliant I have a hard time supporting the templars.
Last time i checked, no one suffered death or severe brain damage via Tranquility, the parallel isn't there.
My reaction after killing Meredith was,
"I'm ready to kill more Templars now."
The Templars didn't seem nearly so happy to fight, which I took to be that both sides acquitted the field then.
Seeing your commander become an Abomination seemed to have took the fight out of them.
And for the "Templars just need Archers."
The Mages weren't absent either.
RL history is full of two armies who aren't actually all that eager to fight to annihilation.
I'm sorry, guy tried to destroy the cure for Tranquility.
**** that guy.
The cure is not worth it.
Though he was not very intelligent in his attempt to cover it up, he does share part of the blame to that extent.
Because an idiot decision by a bigger fool then Anders.
Electing Fiona seems an odd choice given they voted her down.
Last time i checked, no one suffered death or severe brain damage via Tranquility, the parallel isn't there.
I'm fairly sure Tranquility would qualify as a kind of severe brain damage under most medical professionals.
The Mages weren't absent either.
Short of the PC or his companions?
They were.
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