You know everything in DA isn't a charged issue that crosses over into real life .
I dunno.
You have a girl praying to God to fix something she was born with which is only a "flaw" in the eyes of the larger society but some may see as quite awesome or, especially since you've chosen to play as a Mage.
I could be wrong but it reminded me of a few stories I'd heard while working as part of my Christian-Gay reconciliation club.
No they aren't.
Yeah, the Chantry is probably the guys who teaches Templars NOT to hate mages.
The peasantry as a whole hates mages.
Which is probably where most come by their bigotry.
I took that as a gay metaphor.
So I can't say I approve of that.
Poor girl was taught to hate herself.
I took it as someone with no sense of self-worth or esteem because she had been taught her whole life that something she was born with, magic, made her wicked by default and she had to be punished for being born that way.
I can see how someone would take it as a gay issue, but I didn't take it that way. Never even crossed my mind there. Still doesn't.
I took it as someone with no sense of self-worth or esteem because she had been taught her whole life that something she was born with, magic, made her wicked by default and she had to be punished for being born that way.
I can see how someone would take it as a gay issue, but I didn't take it that way. Never even crossed my mind there. Still doesn't.
Eh, I believe in applicability not metaphor is the proper term here.
So I admit, a certain wrong.
Tolkien said that you can use his books to talk about World War 2 but they weren't ABOUT World War 2 if that made sense.
I do believe Kalei's story INVOKED the Church's relationship with homosexuality, though.
No they aren't.
They aren't supposed to be, but we are given decent evidence that some Chantry officials take that mindset.
I dunno.
You have a girl praying to God to fix something she was born with which is only a "flaw" in the eyes of the larger society but some may see as quite awesome or, especially since you've chosen to play as a Mage.
I could be wrong but it reminded me of a few stories I'd heard while working as part of my Christian-Gay reconciliation club.
>being mage puts everyone's life in danger.
>being homosexual puts literally no one's life in danger
>totes the same thing and is comparable.
Yeah, the Chantry is probably the guys who teaches Templars NOT to hate mages.
Umm....the Templar codex outright states that they recruit templars largely from the religiously fervent more than those of character as a way to keep them from questioning their orders. Lambert in Asunder outright states, to himself, that the Chantry had been teaching people to hate and fear magic for so long that changing the practices of the Circle wouldn't remove the perception and fear of it. The Chantry has been preaching constantly that it was the mages that caused the blight.
Also, the Apostate Codex says that the templars and Chantry often blur the line between an apostate and a maleficar so people see them largely the same.
I don't see any evidence that it's the Chantry's practice to teach people not to hate mages. I can see sympathetic members in the templars and the chantry itself, but I haven't seen any evidence that it's a policy of the Chantry.
Not really give what we know about how templars are recruited and trained to have the mindset "All mages are evil and any magic they don't have permission to use is for evil."
categorically false that almost isn't worth the effort spent typing this response
Eh, I believe in applicability not metaphor is the proper term here.
So I admit, a certain wrong.
Tolkien said that you can use his books to talk about World War 2 but they weren't ABOUT World War 2 if that made sense.
I do believe Kalei's story INVOKED the Church's relationship with homosexuality, though.
*shrug* To each their own. In the end, it's a great game we all love, otherwise we wouldn't be here debating it.
No they aren't.
It is stated in the Codex that they don't recruit templars for their moral fiber or even thinking. They recruit templars for their zeal and distrust/like of all things magic. And during the Broken Circle quest in Origins Alistair just wants to Annul the Circle instead of trying to save it. And his considered pretty moderate.
So yeah they are.
>being mage puts everyone's life in danger.
>being homosexual puts literally no one's life in danger
>totes the same thing and is comparable.
I dunno. True Blood's vampires are arguably far more dangerous, and the show's producers apparently explicitly said "Vampires are a metaphor for gay people." (That said, I don't think that's where Gaider's coming from.)
It is stated in the Codex that they don't recruit templars for their moral fiber or even thinking. They recruit templars for their zeal and distrust/like of all things magic.
The codex does not say that. It says that it recruits those loyal to the Chantry.
I don't see any evidence that it's the Chantry's practice to teach people not to hate mages. I can see sympathetic members in the templars and the chantry itself, but I haven't seen any evidence that it's a policy of the Chantry.
The Chantry is the one who cares and provides for the mages after all, plus makes sure the Templars guard them after all.
Cullen and Evangeline repeatedly refer to them as their charges after all.
They also employ the mages regularly against heathens like the Qunari.
I think the Chantry is a group with a "complicated" relationship with mages.
I dunno. True Blood's vampires are arguably far more dangerous, and the show's producers apparently explicitly said "Vampires are a metaphor for gay people." (That said, I don't think that's where Gaider's coming from.)
Being a mage is torture. Demons all the time. Powers a danger to yourself and others. Some lack control. It's very clear that being homosexual is not comparable to being a mage. Being a mage expands past how people perceive you. Of course, mages aren't real, go figure.
Mage. Always play as one. Can't imagine being something lesser that can't use magic.
Peons.
>being mage puts everyone's life in danger.
>being homosexual puts literally no one's life in danger
>totes the same thing and is comparable.
X-men's Mutants have still been a gay metaphor since the early 21st century too and I'm pretty sure that gays don't have eyebeams.
*shrug* To each their own. In the end, it's a great game we all love, otherwise we wouldn't be here debating it.
lol... that's an admirably diplomatic response. But DA:O was good, wasn't it? I sure hope they recapture that magic in DA:I...
I've bolded the important part for this debate.
Codex Entry: Templars
Often portrayed as stoic and grim, the Order of Templars was created as the martial arm of the Chantry. Armed with the ability to dispel and resist magic in addition to their formidable combat talents, the templars are uniquely qualified to act as both a foil for apostates - mages who refuse to submit to the authority of the Circle - and a first line of defense against the dark powers ofblood mages and abominations.
While mages often resent the templars as symbols of the Chantry's control over magic, the people of Thedas see them as saviors and holy warriors, champions of all that is good, armed with piety enough to protect the world from the ravages of foul magic. In reality, the Chantry's militant arm looks first for skilled warriors with unshakable faith in the Maker, with a flawless moral center as a secondary concern. Templars must carry out their duty with an emotional distance, and the Order of Templars prefers soldiers with religious fervor and absolute loyalty over paragons of virtue who might question orders when it comes time to make difficult choices.
The templars' power derives from the substance lyrium, a mineral believed to be the raw element of creation. While mages use lyrium in their arcane spells and rituals, templars ingest the primordial mineral to enhance their abilities to resist and dispel magic. Lyrium use is regulated by the Chantry, but some templars suffer from lyrium addiction, the effects of which include paranoia, obsession, and dementia. Templars knowingly submit themselves to this "treatment" in the service of the Order and the Maker.
It is this sense of ruthless piety that most frightens mages when they draw the templars' attention: When the templars are sent to eliminate a possible blood mage, there is no reasoning with them, and if the templars are prepared, the mage's magic is all but useless. Driven by their faith, the templars are one of the most feared and respected forces in Thedas.
--From Patterns Within Form, by Halden, First Enchanter of Starkhaven, 8:80 Blessed.
Being a mage is torture. Demons all the time. Powers a danger to yourself and others. Some lack control. It's very clear that being homosexual is not comparable to being a mage. Being a mage expands past how people perceive you. Of course, mages aren't real, go figure.
Most of that applies to vampires.
The mages probably wouldn't have been allowed to use magic to fight the fire. I can see the templars smiting mage after mage as they conjure ice spells to put out the fire. Then leaving the mages there to burn to death.
Being a mage is torture. Demons all the time. Powers a danger to yourself and others. Some lack control. It's very clear that being homosexual is not comparable to being a mage. Being a mage expands past how people perceive you. Of course, mages aren't real, go figure.
Explicitly false given Morrigan, at least, thinks being a mage is ****ing awesome.
So do plenty of other mages we meet.
Including the Keepers.
Anders, of course, makes the gay/Mage subtext more than a little textual.
The Chantry is the one who cares and provides for the mages after all, plus makes sure the Templars guard them after all.
Cullen and Evangeline repeatedly refer to them as their charges after all.
They also employ the mages regularly against heathens like the Qunari.
I think the Chantry is a group with a "complicated" relationship with mages.
*shrug*
The Circle's were formed as a compromise when a Divine nearly had them all killed for peacefully protesting and magic wasn't allowed at all.
I can see the Chantry protecting mages as a good thing, but I have to ask, do they do it because they care for the mages or because magic in and of itself is so useful in fighting in Exalted Marches or Blights? Not to mention.....
X-men's Mutants have still been a gay metaphor since the early 21st century too and I'm pretty sure that gays don't have eyebeams.
I'm glad you completely disregarded what I said to compare this to yet another hardly related series.
Most of that applies to vampires.
Vampires are so less a threat to the world than mages are. It's not even funny.
Explicitly false given Morrigan, at least, thinks being a mage is ****ing awesome.
So do plenty of other mages we meet.
Including the Keepers.
Anders, of course, makes the gay/Mage subtext more than a little textual.
"Ten years from now... a hundred years from now, someone like me will love someone like you, and there will be no Templars to tear them apart."If you romance him as a mage, he'll say something about not being torn apart for how you were born too.
Seriously, I wish you people would stop naming exceptional people as a basis for the norm. There's a reason why they're called exceptional. Almost everyone else admits the hardship of being a mage, but find it's worth while. Everyone doesn't.
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