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[Willowhugger]

Vampires are so less a threat to the world than mages are. It's not even funny. 

 

I think mages are a much-much bigger boon to the world than a curse.

So that is a matter of opinion.

[Seboist]

Being a mage is torture. Demons all the time. Powers a danger to yourself and others. Some lack control. It's very clear that being homosexual is not comparable to being a mage. Being a mage expands past how people perceive you. Of course, mages aren't real, go figure. 

 

Bro, don't be raining on the parades of people who want to project their real world baggage on DA.

[raging_monkey]

I've bolded the important part for this debate. Codex Entry: Templars Often portrayed as stoic and grim, the Order of Templars was created as the martial arm of the Chantry. Armed with the ability to dispel and resist magic in addition to their formidable combat talents, the templars are uniquely qualified to act as both a foil for apostates - mages who refuse to submit to the authority of the Circle - and a first line of defense against the dark powers ofblood mages and abominations.While mages often resent the templars as symbols of the Chantry's control over magic, the people of Thedas see them as saviors and holy warriors, champions of all that is good, armed with piety enough to protect the world from the ravages of foul magic. In reality, the Chantry's militant arm looks first for skilled warriors with unshakable faith in the Maker, with a flawless moral center as a secondary concern. Templars must carry out their duty with an emotional distance, and the Order of Templars prefers soldiers with religious fervor and absolute loyalty over paragons of virtue who might question orders when it comes time to make difficult choices.The templars' power derives from the substance lyrium, a mineral believed to be the raw element of creation. While mages use lyrium in their arcane spells and rituals, templars ingest the primordial mineral to enhance their abilities to resist and dispel magic. Lyrium use is regulated by the Chantry, but some templars suffer from lyrium addiction, the effects of which include paranoia, obsession, and dementia. Templars knowingly submit themselves to this "treatment" in the service of the Order and the Maker.It is this sense of ruthless piety that most frightens mages when they draw the templars' attention: When the templars are sent to eliminate a possible blood mage, there is no reasoning with them, and if the templars are prepared, the mage's magic is all but useless. Driven by their faith, the templars are one of the most feared and respected forces in Thedas.--From Patterns Within Form, by Halden, First Enchanter of Starkhaven, 8:80 Blessed.

can honestly say while i respect templars dedication and their goal rereading this makes me say templars need real reform or at least a good lay with a antivan

[Willowhugger]

Seriously, I wish you people would stop naming exceptional people as a basis for the norm. There's a reason why they're called exceptional. Almost everyone else admits the hardship of being a mage, but find it's worth while. Everyone doesn't. 

 

The majority of mages seem to be happy being mages. Only a small minority seem to regret being mages.

I'm just saying.

Kalei is notable for the fact she hates it.

[Willowhugger]

Bro, don't be raining on the parades of people who want to project their real world baggage on DA.

 

I call em like I see em.

That's all I'm saying.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Vampires are so less a threat to the world than mages are. It's not even funny. 

Maybe, but they're more likely to be malicious than mages are. As I understand it True Blood opens with vampires revealing their existence to the muggles because technological advances now allow them to live without killing. Take a moment to consider how vampires all had to have lived before then. Anyway, none of that is central to the point Willow and I were making: just because there's reasons for being wary of a certain superpowered group in-setting doesn't mean they are necessarily not being used as a metaphor for groups who really are being treated poorly for no reason. Other creators have done it. That said, I'd like to repeat my opinion that that's probably not happening here.

[Steelcan]

*peeks in thread*

 

*quickly tabs out*

[LobselVith8]

*shrug*

 

The Circle's were formed as a compromise when a Divine nearly had them all killed for peacefully protesting and magic wasn't allowed at all. 

 

Well, that story seemed to address the formation of the Circle Towers, as opposed to the Circles themselves, which seemed to severely restrict what magic was permitted by mages, but I see your point - the mages who protested peacefully were nearly killed because Divine Ambrosia II was going to launch an Exalted March on her own cathedral.

[Willowhugger]

I'd honestly be interested in what mages are a metaphor for, if anything in the eyes of the creators.

[The Baconer]

The mages probably wouldn't have been allowed to use magic to fight the fire. I can see the templars smiting mage after mage as they conjure ice spells to put out the fire.

 

Oh man, I actually burst out laughing at the image. That is some Tom and Jerry stuff right there.

[Willowhugger]

Well, that story seemed to address the formation of the Circle Towers, as opposed to the Circles themselves, which seemed to severely restrict what magic was permitted by mages, but I see your point - the mages who protested peacefully were nearly killed because Divine Ambrosia II was going to launch an Exalted March on her own cathedral.

While that's one way to look at it, another is that nonviolent reform was possible.

[Ryzaki]

Oh man, I actually burst out laughing at the image. That is some Tom and Jerry stuff right there.

 

Looking back Jerry was a jerkwad Tom should've ate him.

[Br3admax]

Bro, don't be raining on the parades of people who want to project their real world baggage on DA.

I'm in more minorities than I can count, and even I think this **** is getting seriously old. 

[dragonflight288]

I'm in more minorities than I can count, and even I think this **** is getting seriously old. 

 

Spoiler

[raging_monkey]

So he over-analyzed a part in a game who cares its his interpetation. Are we to condem opinions cause they are "wrong"

[Cainhurst Crow]

I'd honestly be interested in what mages are a metaphor for, if anything in the eyes of the creators.

Mutants, obviously.

In the basement of the white spire, there's a massive phalactery device that the grand enchancter can use to see everyone on thedas and see all the mages living in it.

[LobselVith8]

While that's one way to look at it, another is that nonviolent reform was possible.

 

It lead to Circle Towers that were controlled by the Chantry, and overseen by their militant arm. Almost a thousand years later, and things only changed because of the events in Asunder.

[Cainhurst Crow]

So he over-analyzed a part in a game who cares its his interpetation. Are we to condem opinions cause they are "wrong"

Nah, but pointing out how dumb opinions are is a past time of human society.

I mean, just look at Socrates. Dude made history and altered the entire course of greek society by just pointing out peoples opinions as being opinions. That and playing the longest game of "Why?" ever created.

[Willowhugger]

Nah, but pointing out how dumb opinions are is a past time of human society.

I mean, just look at Socrates. Dude made history and altered the entire course of greek society by just pointing out peoples opinions as being opinions. That and playing the longest game of "Why?" ever created.

 

Eh, I think they made a deliberate invocation of it for a parallel.

 

I'm not saying it's a big one but I think it's there.

It's also a part of Anders story with Karl.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

It lead to Circle Towers that were controlled by the Chantry, and overseen by their militant arm. Almost a thousand years later, and things only changed because of the events in Asunder.

Yes, but it happened because that same organization's military arm bowed to nonviolent methods of resistance. (Of course, I am kinda interested to hear how Lambert would have reacted to such a thing.)

[Willowhugger]

Another thing is the Circle Towers are controlled, in theory, by the Enchanters.

 

They're just supervised by the Templars.

[raging_monkey]

Nah, but pointing out how dumb opinions are is a past time of human society.I mean, just look at Socrates. Dude made history and altered the entire course of greek society by just pointing out peoples opinions as being opinions. That and playing the longest game of "Why?" ever created.

god that game never sodding ends. Butbjoke aside its just unnecassary if you disagree cool but to make snide remarks its iffy at best. Personally i just think bioware should put a end to this mage templar bull its divided the fans

[Icy Magebane]

Eh, I think they made a deliberate invocation of it for a parallel.

 

I'm not saying it's a big one but I think it's there.

It's also a part of Anders story with Karl.

Never really saw the connection between mages and homosexuality myself, but I'll admit that I could probably find one if I went looking.  The same would probably be true if I tried to compare any two groups of outcasts.  I don't think that means the authors planned it that way...

[LobselVith8]

So he over-analyzed a part in a game who cares its his interpetation. Are we to condem opinions cause they are "wrong"

 

People can identify different elements of fictional groups with real world groups - some people see Native American elements in the Dalish, while others see Jewish or Palestinian elements. Some have expressed that they like the Chantry because certain elements remind them of Christianity. I'm not certain why anyone should be denigrated for relating to certain elements about a fictional group because they can see something they relate to in that group.