Eh, I think they made a deliberate invocation of it for a parallel.
I'm not saying it's a big one but I think it's there.
It's also a part of Anders story with Karl.
How? Nobody cares about sexuality in Thedas. Like almost no one. And Gaider made it pretty clear the point was not to stress social issues with sexuality. The only value it had, you made for it.
Yes, but it happened because that same organization's military arm bowed to nonviolent methods of resistance. (Of course, I am kinda interested to hear how Lambert would have reacted to such a thing.)
Are you talking about when the Circles were first formed? And wondering how Lambert would have reacted if he had been one of the templars there?
Are you talking about when the Circles were first formed? And wondering how Lambert would have reacted if he had been one of the templars there?
I'm asking you to picture how he'd have reacted if he'd been in charge of them. Try to tell me that's not an amusing mental image.
god that game never sodding ends. Butbjoke aside its just unnecassary if you disagree cool but to make snide remarks its iffy at best. Personally i just think bioware should put a end to this mage templar bull its divided the fans
i just defending his interpetation i dont see it like that but it was his. View of that scene not mine. SimplePeople can identify different elements of fictional groups with real world groups - some people see Native American elements in the Dalish, while others see Jewish or Palestinian elements. Some have expressed that they like the Chantry because certain elements remind them of Christianity. I'm not certain why anyone should be denigrated for relating to certain elements about a fictional group because they can see something they relate to in that group.
Yes, but it happened because that same organization's military arm bowed to nonviolent methods of resistance. (Of course, I am kinda interested to hear how Lambert would have reacted to such a thing.)
Lambert is a different man from a different country. He likely would have made very, VERY different choices, especially if he feared what may happen if the mages actually did get what they wanted.
I don't know about the templars and their leaders way back when, but Lambert let his experiences in Tevinter rule his opinion on what may happen if the mages didn't do exactly as he wanted them to.
Although, that would be an interesting alternate universe to read.
Another thing is the Circle Towers are controlled, in theory, by the Enchanters.
They're just supervised by the Templars.
Technically true in theory, doesn't seem to be common in actual practice 1000 years later.
Irving: If things were up to me, they'd be different, but the chantry....*sigh* (in regards to Jowan's upcoming tranquility)
Nah, but pointing out how dumb opinions are is a past time of human society.
I mean, just look at Socrates. Dude made history and altered the entire course of greek society by just pointing out peoples opinions as being opinions. That and playing the longest game of "Why?" ever created.
One of my favorite things he did was when he was debating the priests. They were telling him that by asking questions the way he was, he was inviting the wrath of the gods upon him as it was unholy. He responded by asking what was holy between, Hades, Ares, and Athena. Once that question was answered, he pointed out that those gods had different views and different things they approved of, so by those priests same logic, an act could be both holy and unholy at the same time depending on which god you worshiped.
He didn't make many friends by pointing out logical fallacies in their arguments.
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People can identify different elements of fictional groups with real world groups - some people see Native American elements in the Dalish, while others see Jewish or Palestinian elements. Some have expressed that they like the Chantry because certain elements remind them of Christianity. I'm not certain why anyone should be denigrated for relating to certain elements about a fictional group because they can see something they relate to in that group.
Folk also need to realize this is a fictional universe and not get so caught up in the hype that they forget to enjoy all aspects of that fictional universe. For example; I am black on my mother's side. That's not going to stop be from playing a hardcore Tevinter Magister if I get the chance. Can't wear your social issues on your sleeve or you won't get anything done including something as simple as enjoying Dragon Age.
I'm asking you to picture how he'd have reacted if he'd been in charge of them. Try to tell me that's not an amusing mental image.
im thinking green ending lmaoOnly way that would happen would be for mages and templars to get majorly retconed, or removed all together.And I don't think anyone wants to see that, no matter what side you fall on.
i just defending his interpetation i dont see it like that but it was his. View of that scene not mine. Simple
I was speaking generally, since you brought up interpretation. It wasn't intended to be taken as a rebuke of what you wrote.
I'm asking you to picture how he'd have reacted if he'd been in charge of them. Try to tell me that's not an amusing mental image.
LOL! I can see him passing running around like a chicken with it's head cut off frothing at the mouth demanding they be allowed to preform the Exalted March immediately.
im thinking green ending lmao
LOL! I can see him passing running around like a chicken with it's head cut off frothing at the mouth demanding they be allowed to preform the Exalted March immediately.
It would be interesting, instead of everyone becoming mages, if the veil is destroyed completely, and spirits and demons wander around the mortal world. They'd no longer have need of possessing anyone.
That would remove the threat of mages becoming abominations. There would just be a butt load of demons that would have to be dealt with.
It would be interesting, instead of everyone becoming mages, if the veil is destroyed completely, and spirits and demons wander around the mortal world. They'd no longer have need of possessing anyone.
That would remove the threat of mages becoming abominations. There would just be a butt load of demons that would have to be dealt with.
I imagine that would end terribly, especially since demons seem to have rare or hard to dispel magic; look at how completely the Desire Demon had the Templar under her spell back in DA:O. Only cure was death. Now have a craftier demon with a King.
It would be interesting, instead of everyone becoming mages, if the veil is destroyed completely, and spirits and demons wander around the mortal world. They'd no longer have need of possessing anyone.
That would remove the threat of mages becoming abominations. There would just be a butt load of demons that would have to be dealt with.
I think you're in luck. That sounds like the "demons win" ending I've been hearing about.
It would be interesting, instead of everyone becoming mages, if the veil is destroyed completely, and spirits and demons wander around the mortal world. They'd no longer have need of possessing anyone.
That would remove the threat of mages becoming abominations. There would just be a butt load of demons that would have to be dealt with.
Yavana mentioned a time before the veil, when dragons ruled the world.
i blame mages...damn i am a mage"Well, looks like we're all mages now. Might not be so bad. Now to let all the soldiers, farmers, peasants, destitutes, and everyone else with no former training mages get to go to bed and open themselves to the fade.Nothing bad could possibly happen."
it would be D&D new generationIt would be interesting, instead of everyone becoming mages, if the veil is destroyed completely, and spirits and demons wander around the mortal world. They'd no longer have need of possessing anyone. That would remove the threat of mages becoming abominations. There would just be a butt load of demons that would have to be dealt with.
I think you're in luck. That sounds like the "demons win" ending I've been hearing about.
It sort of reminds me of the bad ending in the game "The Bard's Tale"
Which is ironically the best ending for the Bard.
He'd probably have some Sandor Clegane words for the divine mother ordering them to attack the chantry. Lamberts a hardline a-hole but he's no mad dog killer, there's gotta be more involved then just "mages don't want to be stuck doing candle and janitor duty" for him to act.
You gotta remember, lambert's been head of the seekers for years before DAO. All that time he didn't make a move, probably cause he didn't think there was a reason to, and then anders come and pulls dragon age 9/11 on everyone.
Things change. Rules change. Anders sympathizers and secessionists seem to get the majority of power. Things get nuts, and so people get nuts.
Mages boarding themselves in the chantry and not making an aggressive move/not using blood magic, summoning demons, calling forth AOE spells, etc, means the whole situations different, so characters would act accordingly.
That's like saying because someone got scared and ran from a mountain lion, they'd get scared and run from anything on a mountain, from goats to grass.
All of which is fair, I suppose.
i blame mages.
So do I. Mages are the worst.
It would be interesting, instead of everyone becoming mages, if the veil is destroyed completely, and spirits and demons wander around the mortal world. They'd no longer have need of possessing anyone.
That would remove the threat of mages becoming abominations. There would just be a butt load of demons that would have to be dealt with.
No it wouldn't. Demons who have been forced into the material world in their true forms still possess mages quite willingly.
No it wouldn't. Demons who have been forced into the material world in their true forms still possess mages quite willingly.
And anyone else they came across. Or anything, in the case of trees, corpses, animals, and so on.
Mages would't be the only ones in danger. They still aren't, but they are the easiest targets. If there were no veil and demons could wander where they willed, anyone and everyone would be at risk. You'd see more non-mages being possessed by virtue of there being more of them than there are mages.
i was making ajoke but thank you for taking it out of context lol still giving you the laugh:)So do I. Mages are the worst.
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