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[BlueMagitek]

And anyone else they came across. Or anything, in the case of trees, corpses, animals, and so on. 

 

Mages would't be the only ones in danger. They still aren't, but they are the easiest targets. If there were no veil and demons could wander where they willed, anyone and everyone would be at risk. You'd see more non-mages being possessed by virtue of there being more of them than there are mages. 

 

Mages are what you, as a demon or spirit, want.  You get a power boost from the merge.  And a lot more information in an educated Circle Mage's head than Farmer Joe.

[dragonflight288]

Mages are what you, as a demon or spirit, want.  You get a power boost from the merge.  And a lot more information in an educated Circle Mage's head than Farmer Joe.

 

Most demons express, not the desire to feel a mages power, but wish for the experience of the mortal world and want to see it through mortal eyes. 

 

Some of the more powerful or intelligent demons may target mages, but the lore makes it clear that most demons will happily possess the first thing they come across. 

[thetinyevil]

He'd probably have some Sandor Clegane words for the divine mother ordering them to attack the chantry. Lamberts a hardline a-hole but he's no mad dog killer, there's gotta be more involved then just "mages don't want to be stuck doing candle and janitor duty" for him to act.

You gotta remember, lambert's been head of the seekers for years before DAO. All that time he didn't make a move, probably cause he didn't think there was a reason to, and then anders come and pulls dragon age 9/11 on everyone.

Things change. Rules change. Anders sympathizers and secessionists seem to get the majority of power. Things get nuts, and so people get nuts.

Mages boarding themselves in the chantry and not making an aggressive move/not using blood magic, summoning demons, calling forth AOE spells, etc, means the whole situations different, so characters would act accordingly.

That's like saying because someone got scared and ran from a mountain lion, they'd get scared and run from anything on a mountain, from goats to grass.

Not likely considering that he is the first to attack an peaceful vote, which wouldn't have passed. He would have backed the Divine in attacking the Cathedral. 

[BlueMagitek]

Most demons express, not the desire to feel a mages power, but wish for the experience of the mortal world and want to see it through mortal eyes. 

 

Some of the more powerful or intelligent demons may target mages, but the lore makes it clear that most demons will happily possess the first thing they come across. 

 

Yes, I recall that.  I'm also more concerned with the upper tier demons than the Rage demon that gets stuck inside a haystack.

[raging_monkey]

Not likely considering that he is the first to attack an peaceful vote, which wouldn't have passed. He would have backed the Divine in attacking the Cathedral.

not really he was trying to make a arrest and and magi said no and then by police law on resisting arrest he was legally allowed to used reasonable force but poo hit the fan HARD

[Cainhurst Crow]

Not likely considering that he is the first to attack an peaceful vote, which wouldn't have passed. He would have backed the Divine in attacking the Cathedral.

Why? The situations were completely different from one another.

[thetinyevil]

not really he was trying to make a arrest and and magi said no and then by police law on resisting arrest he was legally allowed to used reasonable force but poo hit the fan HARD

He was looking for any reason to break up the vote and would have attacked anyway. Besides he had no right to interrupt vote the mages were with in their right to refuse him. And if he hadn't been so mages are evil and waited the vote never would have passed and there wouldn't have been any problems. But he wanted the mages to know that they have no rights and are less then human.

[thetinyevil]

Why? The situations were completely different from one another.

No it was mages standing up for themselves in a peaceful manner. Both situations were the same. And he would have reacted the same in both situation. Mages are evil and are up to no good.

[raging_monkey]

He was looking for any reason to break up the vote and would have attacked anyway. Besides he had no right to interrupt vote the mages were with in their right to refuse him. And if he hadn't been so mages are evil and waited the vote never would have passed and there wouldn't have been any problems. But he wanted the mages to know that they have no rights and are less then human.

i was talking legally personally i dont love nor hate him. He's a *** but sympathetic. Also when i side with templars its only to give a clear rep on a matter from their view. I never genuinely side with skirts

[thetinyevil]

i was talking legally personally i dont love nor hate him. He's a *** but sympathetic. Also when i side with templars its only to give a clear rep on a matter from their view. I never genuinely side with skirts

Do you mean you see him as sympathetic character or that he was sympathetic toward mages? Sorry just need a little clarification.

[raging_monkey]

Do you mean you see him as sympathetic character or that he was sympathetic toward mages? Sorry just need a little clarification.

i understand his beliefs and justifications cause it partially right i dont agrre with his bad cop attitude. Ex was liike that not cute. If it helps i am a isolationist as long as they leave me be i dont really care what they do but this war affects us all which me means no quiet time so i can read.

[KaiserShep]

Yes, I recall that.  I'm also more concerned with the upper tier demons than the Rage demon that gets stuck inside a haystack.

 

You never know what might happen if a rage demon possessed a haystack.

 

[thetinyevil]

i understand his beliefs and justifications cause it partially right i dont agrre with his bad cop attitude. Ex was liike that not cute. If it helps i am a isolationist as long as they leave me be i dont really care what they do but this war affects us all which me means no quiet time so i can read.

Yeah clears it up. Sorry I was just a little confused my brain is trying to shut down.

[raging_monkey]

Yeah clears it up. Sorry I was just a little confused my brain is trying to shut down.

it happens when you spend while in a redundate thread that promotes intolerance and extremity from both sides

[Cainhurst Crow]

No it was mages standing up for themselves in a peaceful manner. Both situations were the same. And he would have reacted the same in both situation. Mages are evil and are up to no good.

But the context wasn't wasn't same. There wasnt a violent attack initiated by mages leading up to the protest, there weren't terroristic sympathizers eating up power and influence in the mages, and there was not a phantom murderer killing people in the chantry.

The context around the events are the reasons events played out as they did. And because they have different contexts and circumstances, the two events cannot be looked at as the same, and neither can Lambert action be so simplified to make the claim thst he'd act the same in all situations, just as one cannot generalize all mages for the circumstances and actions within this circumstances of the few corrupt ones.

[raging_monkey]

Only fair i guess

[Sanguinerin]

I (generally) support the mages. I always did in Origins, with the exception of a character deemed my "cruel character" play-through.

 

In Dragon Age II, however, I tend to side with the templars more. Why?

 

1) I become the viscount. I tend to play ambitious characters. I like to take the 'good character' approach most of the time, but I do love influence and titles. This is why I'm sure I'll love my Antivan diplomat advisor most of all.

 

2) The mages of Kirkwall tend to all be insane, with the exceptions of Bethany, Emile de Launcet, and my Hawke. I'm sure there are good mages in the city...somewhere...but I can't recall any others. Granted, it's been a while since I've played through.

 

3) The final battle makes more sense. When I side with the mages and Orsino turns, I'm like, "Hey, we're winning! Why are you going crazier!" At least when you side with the templars, his fight just seems more appropriate.

[raging_monkey]

Da2 just showed the bad too much

[TK514]

And anyone else they came across. Or anything, in the case of trees, corpses, animals, and so on. 
 
Mages would't be the only ones in danger. They still aren't, but they are the easiest targets. If there were no veil and demons could wander where they willed, anyone and everyone would be at risk. You'd see more non-mages being possessed by virtue of there being more of them than there are mages.

And you'd see a lot more normal people dying from the attempt. Tahrone in DA2 makes it clear that not everyone she attempted to force a demon into survived the process. Mages don't posses the same barrier to entry.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Most demons express, not the desire to feel a mages power, but wish for the experience of the mortal world and want to see it through mortal eyes. 

 

Some of the more powerful or intelligent demons may target mages, but the lore makes it clear that most demons will happily possess the first thing they come across. 

They do so becaue when they cross the Veil they easily become confused. There is no discussion to be had on this subject. Demon WILL prioritize possession of a mage over any other candidate. That is just the way demons are.

[Uccio]

I (generally) support the mages. I always did in Origins, with the exception of a character deemed my "cruel character" play-through.

 

In Dragon Age II, however, I tend to side with the templars more. Why?

 

1) I become the viscount. I tend to play ambitious characters. I like to take the 'good character' approach most of the time, but I do love influence and titles. This is why I'm sure I'll love my Antivan diplomat advisor most of all.

 

2) The mages of Kirkwall tend to all be insane, with the exceptions of Bethany, Emile de Launcet, and my Hawke. I'm sure there are good mages in the city...somewhere...but I can't recall any others. Granted, it's been a while since I've played through.

 

3) The final battle makes more sense. When I side with the mages and Orsino turns, I'm like, "Hey, we're winning! Why are you going crazier!" At least when you side with the templars, his fight just seems more appropriate.

 

 

DA2 was specifically designed to show mages in a bad light. There was only couple of "evil" templars abusing their power but tons of insane blood mages. How on earth there were any mages left in the Kirkwall circle since it seemed like there was a "evil/insane" blood mage around every street corner.

[Asdrubael Vect]

DA2 was specifically designed to show mages in a bad light. There was only couple of "evil" templars abusing their power but tons of insane blood mages. How on earth there were any mages left in the Kirkwall circle since it seemed like there was a "evil/insane" blood mage around every street corner.

actually all insane and evil blood mages who was in Kirkwal was opressed by Templars aprentices who run away from Cirlce and mostly fight against Templars...and for game reason Hawke for them no matter what, was only a Meredith and Templars supporter and he must kill them or save to kill them later because for them he is still "on a Meredith side"

 

damn i was really not happy to kill Tarone who can deal with Templars problem by putting demons into Templars officers so they kill Temprlas HQ. and she almost kill Cullen if Hawke does not save him for game reason

 

Kirkwal nobles and mages for 10 years was suffered by Meredith and Cullen ruleship and all of this can be stoped by those "evil" mages if we does not stop them or help them to do their job..and there is no need 10 years for waiting Anders

[Br3admax]

 

actually all insane and evil blood mages who was in Kirkwal was opressed by Templars aprentices who run away from Cirlce and mostly fight against Templars...and for game reason Hawke for them no matter what was only a Meredith and Templars supporter and he must kill them or save to kill them later because for them he is still "on a Meredith side"

 

damn i was really not happy to kill Tarone who can deal with Temaplras problem by putting demons into Templars officers so they kill Temprlas HQ. and she almost kill Cullen if Hawke does not save him for game reason

 

Kirkwal nobles and mages for 10 years was suffered by Meredith and Cullen ruleship and all of this can be stoped by those "evil" mages if we does not stop them or help them to do their job..and there is no need 10 years for waiting Anders

 

I was going to laugh, but a quick look at your post history says you are most serious. I hope you get the help you so desperately need. The Right of Tranquility is not just for the meek, it can save you too. 

[Willowhugger]

I was going to laugh, but a quick look at your post history says you are most serious. I hope you get the help you so desperately need. The Right of Tranquility is not just for the meek, it can save you too. 

 

I'm of the mind the Quality of Life issue divorces it of anything worthwhile.

 

It's an evil rite and I consider using it in Inquisition, as you'll be able to do, as equivalent to tainting the Urn of Sacred Ashes.