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[Willowhugger]

actually all insane and evil blood mages who was in Kirkwal was opressed by Templars aprentices who run away from Cirlce and mostly fight against Templars...and for game reason Hawke for them no matter what was only a Meredith and Templars supporter and he must kill them or save to kill them later because for them he is still "on a Meredith side"

 

damn i was really not happy to kill Tarone who can deal with Temaplras problem by putting demons into Templars officers so they kill Temprlas HQ. and she almost kill Cullen if Hawke does not save him for game reason

 

Kirkwal nobles and mages for 10 years was suffered by Meredith and Cullen ruleship and all of this can be stoped by those "evil" mages if we does not stop them or help them to do their job..and there is no need 10 years for waiting Anders

 

Sam Vines: "Just because someone's a member of an ethnic minority doesn't mean they're not a nasty small-minded little jerk..."

 

Orsino goes around blaming Meredith for being a suspicious, paranoid, repressive jerk.

Which she is.

 

It's ludicrous for her, for example, to ban sex within the Circles.

 

However, she has every right to believe there's an evil cult brewing in the Circle which murders, kills, and tortures innocents.

 

Because he's a part of it.

 

Orsino downplays it in the Mage ending but embraces it in the Templar one. Saying they only did it because of Circle oppression ignores the long-rinded rant they'll do more or less everything the Tevinter did and more. You can state that's because they're being oppressed but my MageWardenHawke has the uncomfortable belief that quite a few mages are evil scumbags.

Much like "normal" people.

[Br3admax]

I'm of the mind the Quality of Life issue divorces it of anything worthwhile.

 

It's an evil rite and I consider using it in Inquisition, as you'll be able to do, as equivalent to tainting the Urn of Sacred Ashes.

It's not evil in anyway, by any set of morals, and even if it was, I really don't care. I also don't care about the dead body of a woman I didn't even know, but that's just me. My Warden was Andrastian as they come, but power mattered more during the Blight than his belief in magical dead women. 

[Xilizhra]

It's not evil in anyway, by any set of morals, and even if it was, I really don't care. I also don't care about the dead body of a woman I didn't even know, but that's just me. My Warden was Andrastian as they come, but power mattered more during the Blight than his belief in magical dead women. 

Any set of morals? Rather highly presumptuous there.

 

In any case, the question is primarily whether it's done to the willing or not, though even the willing would have no idea what they were getting into and I believe they should have a brief period of it before then getting it cured, then deciding whether they want it permanently or not.

 

Also, mages all the way, for life.

[Willowhugger]

 

There is no evil deed Bioware or other game company can present which players won't want to help with.

See Thalmor defenders.

[Br3admax]

Any set of morals? Rather highly presumptuous.

I don't really care about the morals you make for a setting, Xil. I'm talking about Thedas here. Not you.

[lil yonce]

*just checks thread*

 

OMG - Xil, where have you been?! These debates haven't been the same without you.

[Xilizhra]

I don't really care about the morals you make for a setting, Xil. I'm talking about Thedas here. Not you.

Because no one in Thedas has a set of morals that claim the Rite of Tranquility to be evi--wait.

[Willowhugger]

People who defend the Thalmor are ignorant to the lore. They want to unravel the universe because they're too whiny and lazy to strive for apotheosis. People that defend Blood Mages who are consorting with the Forbidden Ones are just as fallacious. 

 

My Mage Hawke's reaction (because he's Mageneto) was, "Okay, I can kind of see where you're coming from with this. However, you've gone from Mageneto to full-on Apocalypse here and that, my dear, just will not stand."

[Willowhugger]

Because no one in Thedas has a set of morals that claim the Rite of Tranquility to be evi--wait.

Yeah, I was like, "The Rite of Tranquility is viewed as a horrible controversial topic IN-universe. This isn't like democracy in Thedas. This is something people in Thedas consider immoral or evil versus those who don't."

[Who Knows]

Neither the mages nor the templars specifically, really. I'd prefer the Circle system with less oppression against mages and more accountability for templars.

 

It seems that may have to either side with the mages or templars in DA:I, though.

[Br3admax]

Because no one in Thedas has a set of morals that claim the Rite of Tranquility to be evi--wait.

Aside from an extremist? Nope. A lot of people know that in some situations it's needed.

[Xilizhra]

*just checks thread*

 

OMG - Xil, where have you been?! These debates haven't been the same without you.

Hiatus because we hadn't learned anything new in ages and the same arguments were getting tiresome because we hadn't gotten any new information since Asunder. However, now more bad things have happened for me to talk about...

 

 

Aside from an extremist? Nope. A lot of people know that in some situations it's needed.

Er, Rhys isn't extremist. Nor were Anders or Justice pre-possession.

[Br3admax]

 

Er, Rhys isn't extremist. 

Debatable. 

 

 

Nor were Anders 

Anders who spends the majority of the time in Awakening making the Fereldan Circle worse for everyone else? 

 

 

Justice pre-possession.

Justice, the embodiment of one basal convention who begins preaching to Anders about destroying Circles as soon as he meets him? Totes not an extremist, Sis. 

 

On a side note, not sure why a like is there. 

[Br3admax]

I agree, but you've got to admit that it's too much of a convenient tool for silencing sedition. Not much stopping Templars from embellishing reports at this point.

Most Templars are actually stopped from doing things like this by their superiors. The fact that some abuse their privileges is on them, not the act itself. 

[Xilizhra]

Anders who spends the majority of the time in Awakening making the Fereldan Circle worse for everyone else?

Ah, right, because he writes policy.

 

 

Justice, the embodiment of one basal convention who begins preaching to Anders about destroying Circles as soon as he meets him? Totes not an extremist, Sis. 

 

On a side note, not sure why a like is there. 

I don't know, he seemed pretty spot-on as to how justice worked.

 

And perhaps your subconscious is trying to tell you something.

[Darkly Tranquil]

DA2 was specifically designed to show mages in a bad light. There was only couple of "evil" templars abusing their power but tons of insane blood mages. How on earth there were any mages left in the Kirkwall circle since it seemed like there was a "evil/insane" blood mage around every street corner.

I disagree to some extent. I don't think it showed only mages in a bad light, it showed pretty much everyone in a bad light. The mages were mad, the Templars were cruel, the nobles were stupid, the Grand Cleric was ineffectual, Hawke's companions were mostly idiots, nutcases, or scoundrels, and Hawke was largely irrelevant in the grander scheme of things. About the only characters in the whole sorry story who came out looking squeaky clean were Aveline and Bethany/Carver, everyone else has blood on their hands from some dubious deeds or other.

[Xilizhra]

I disagree to some extent. I don't think it showed only mages in a bad light, it showed pretty much everyone in a bad light. The mages were mad, the Templars were cruel, the nobles were stupid, the Grand Cleric was ineffectual, Hawke's companions were mostly idiots, nutcases, or scoundrels, and Hawke was largely irrelevant in the grander scheme of things. About the only characters in the whole sorry story who came out looking squeaky clean were Aveline and Bethany/Carver, everyone else has blood on their hands from some dubious deeds or other.

Hey, Merrill's innocent as well.

[Br3admax]

Ah, right, because he writes policy.

 

He doesn't need to. His actions make the situation for other mages worse, as they lose more and more privileges based on his narrow view of thinking and lack of patience. 

 

 

I don't know, he seemed pretty spot-on as to how justice worked.

 

He doesn't think beyond "justice" and therefore is an extremist. He saw one situation did not think past it and formed an opinion. He can't think in any other way. 

 

 

And perhaps your subconscious is trying to tell you something.

My subconscious tells me that I shouldn't respond to you on my phone. Nothing more.Suffice to say, I've never agreed with how you on how you view the mage situation in Thedas, consciously or otherwise. 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Hey, Merrill's innocent as well.

 

"Yay Blood magic! Demons are our friends! Whoopsie I got my clan killed!"

[Xilizhra]

He doesn't need to. His actions make the situation for other mages worse, as they lose more and more privileges based on his narrow view of thinking and lack of patience. 

And yet the templars are the ones doing the actual cracking down.

 

 

He doesn't think beyond "justice" and therefore is an extremist. He saw one situation did not think past it and formed an opinion. He can't think in any other way. 

One situation? I think just observing the Circle as a whole would be enough.

[Br3admax]

And yet the templars are the ones doing the actual cracking down.

Because Anders can't think past himself. Do I agree with those Templars? No. Does that mean I have to agree with Anders? No. 

 

One situation? I think just observing the Circle as a whole would be enough.

 

To think past the idea of Justice and not the consequences? No. Justice can't think the way a normal, rational person does. 

[Xilizhra]

Because Anders can't think past himself. Do I agree with those Templars? No. Does that mean I have to agree with Anders? No.

Complain about Anders when he can't think past himself, complain about him when he does think past himself...

 

 

To think past the idea of Justice and not the consequences? No. Justice can't think the way a normal, rational person does. 

He's perfectly normal and rational, just a spirit and not a human/elf/dwarf/etc.