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[The Elder King]

"Yay Blood magic! Demons are our friends! Whoopsie I got my clan killed!"

I'm not a big fan of Merrill, but she explicitely said to Anders that all spirits (demons or not) are dangerous. The fact that she thought she needed the demon's help doesn't change that. She even said to Hawke that she feared the demon doing something in act 3 and to be prepared to kill her if things went badly.
And no, Marethari had a lot of responsibility of the clan's possible end. Choosing to save one dalish and becoming an abomination that will almost surely destroy the clan later is just dumb, not to mention a betrayal.

[Xilizhra]

I'm not a big fan of Merrill, but she explicitely said to Anders that all spirits (demons or not) are dangerous. The fact that she thought she needed the demon's help doesn't change that. She even said to Hawke that she feared the demon doing something in act 3 and to be prepared to kill her if things went badly.
And no, Marethari had a lot of responsibility of the clan's possible end. Choosing to save one dalish and becoming an abomination that will almost surely destroy the clan later is just dumb, not to mention a betrayal.

The clan's end itself, of course, comes from them all being violent morons.

[Br3admax]

Complain about Anders when he can't think past himself, complain about him when he does think past himself...

Yes, Anders is all around awful. 

 

He's perfectly normal and rational, just a spirit and not a human/elf/dwarf/etc.

There's no such thing as a rational spirit. 

[The Elder King]

The clan's end itself, of course, comes from them all being violent morons.

Well, to be fair they didn't have a clear picture of what happened. Though I don't recall well what they said and what the dialogue options to fight them said.

[Xilizhra]

Yes, Anders is all around awful.

Switch out -ful for -esome and that'll work.

 

 

There's no such thing as a rational spirit. 

They probably think there's no such thing as a rational organic.

 

 

Well, to be fair they didn't have a clear picture of what happened. Though I don't recall well what they said and what the dialogue options to fight them said.

You know, I honestly think that, given how OOC they all were in that game, Sundermount is hazardous to one's mental health if one hangs around on it too long, maybe even more overtly than Kirkwall somehow.

[The Baconer]

Yes, Anders is all around awful. 

 

"Slavery is wrong, unless it happens to people I don't like."

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

"Slavery is wrong, unless it happens to people I don't like."

 

JUSTICE!!!!! Unless that person disagrees with me about the revolution THEN THEY CAN GO BACK TO SLAVERY!!!!!!

[Br3admax]

Switch out -ful for -esome and that'll work.

Nah. 

 

 

They probably think there's no such thing as a rational organic.

Rationality is a creation of society. There are probably more rational organics than anything. In DA, at least. 

[The Elder King]

Switch out -ful for -esome and that'll work.
 
 

They probably think there's no such thing as a rational organic.
 
 

You know, I honestly think that, given how OOC they all were in that game, Sundermount is hazardous to one's mental health if one hangs around on it too long, maybe even more overtly than Kirkwall somehow.

I don't think he's either awful or awesome all in all. Regardless on the bomb, I didn't really like his hipocrisy though.

I don't think it's sundermount. According to WoT they aren't very keen on spirit magic and contact in general, and Marethari probably, the mirror scared the hell out of them, and I don't know what Marethari said to them.
The scene with Pol was dumb and hilarious at the same time though.

[Xilizhra]

I don't think he's either awful or awesome all in all. Regardless on the bomb, I didn't really like his hipocrisy though.

That only happens if Hawke brings up returning Fenris first, and it's clearly a joke.

 

 

I don't think it's sundermount. According to WoT they aren't very keen on spirit magic and contact in general, and Marethari probably, the mirror scared the hell out of them, and I don't know what Marethari said to them.
The scene with Pol was dumb and hilarious at the same time though.

Well, we know that Kirkwall has that effect on people, and Sundermount is haunted with a much higher concentration of demons. So it strikes me as highly likely.

[Willowhugger]

I disagree to some extent. I don't think it showed only mages in a bad light, it showed pretty much everyone in a bad light. The mages were mad, the Templars were cruel, the nobles were stupid, the Grand Cleric was ineffectual, Hawke's companions were mostly idiots, nutcases, or scoundrels, and Hawke was largely irrelevant in the grander scheme of things. About the only characters in the whole sorry story who came out looking squeaky clean were Aveline and Bethany/Carver, everyone else has blood on their hands from some dubious deeds or other.

 

I like to think that Hawke made an immense amount of difference.

 

Primarily by killing everyone who might have left Kirkwall.

 

Hawke was Darwin in action for religious fanatics and Blood Mages.

 

If Orsino escaped, then the Mage Rebellion would have been a Blood Magic-fueled horror.

 

If Meredith escaped, the Red Templars would have become the majority.

 

If the Arishok had lived, it would have been the Qunari invasion already.

 

Hawke is really the meat grinder of evil.

[Willowhugger]

"Yay Blood magic! Demons are our friends! Whoopsie I got my clan killed!"

 

Renegade Hawke Option: I saw the chance to get rid of the Dalish and I took it!

 

Merrill: Shepard, I mean Hawke, what are you saying!?

[The Elder King]

That only happens if Hawke brings up returning Fenris first, and it's clearly a joke.
 
 

Well, we know that Kirkwall has that effect on people, and Sundermount is haunted with a much higher concentration of demons. So it strikes me as highly likely.

1)I don't think it's a joke, and the fact the Hawke can support slavery and being a terrible person doesn't mean Anders has to agree with him/her. And I was referring to what he said to Merrill as well.

2)Was Kirkwall's problem based on demons or the magisters' experiments and sacrifices? I don't remember.

[Beerfish]

I have no interest in debating your opinion on which school of magic is preferable, and your opinion has nothing to do with the simple fact that blood magic has useful applications.

And traditionally it has been determined that the risk reward outlook for blood magic is not worth it as far as useful applications.  Also as far as opinions go, you better debate other peoples opinions because it is the opinion of the powers that be that blood magic is not a desirable thing.  Too dangerous and should be outlawed.

[Willowhugger]

2)Was Kirkwall's problem based on demons or the magisters' experiments and sacrifices? I don't remember.

 

2] Kirkwall is such a ****hole that it has TWO reasons for being so. 1--The Magister's experiments with the Fade and 2--Corypheus just outside of town exerting his psychic influence of EVILLLLLL.

That's in addition to the fact it's a dumping ground for problematic mages and freaks of nature plus psychotic Templars.

 

I maintain Cullen *DID* kill three apprentices, for example, in a fit of PTSD-induced crazy and they sent him to Kirkwall instead of prison.

He then found it too extreme.

[Xilizhra]

1)I don't think it's a joke, and the fact the Hawke can support slavery and being a terrible person doesn't mean Anders has to agree with him/her. And I was referring to what he said to Merrill as well.

2)Was Kirkwall's problem based on demons or the magisters' experiments and sacrifices? I don't remember.

1. It's not as though anyone else lifts a finger to stop Hawke. The thing with Merrill is problematic, but I can see where he's coming from.

 

2. The demons, the blood magic glyph, and Corypheus' presence in the Vimmark Mountains.

[Willowhugger]

2. The demons, the blood magic glyph, and Corypheus' presence in the Vimmark Mountains.

 

It's also a political dumping ground. The Templars send their fanatics and extremists there.

 

Not to mention it's got a weak central government.

[Ryzaki]

"Slavery is wrong, unless it happens to people I don't like."

 

Man that part just ugh.

 

Like I've said before I really wish there was a "WTF dude I was being sarcastic."

[Br3admax]

Man that part just ugh.

 

Like I've said before I really wish there was a "WTF dude I was being sarcastic."

For Hawke or for Anders? Anders is just terribad. Come to accept it. 

[Willowhugger]

Man that part just ugh.

 

Like I've said before I really wish there was a "WTF dude I was being sarcastic."

 

I maintain that is OOC for both Anders and Justice.

 

FENRIS helps mages when the slavery issue is brought up with him.

 

Fenris: Hawke, you're doing that! Please, no.

 

Hawke: Andraste, dude, I was kidding.

 

Fenris: Not funny!

 

Anders: Aww!

Hawke: [Hawke disapproves -10]

[Icy Magebane]

I maintain that is OOC for both Anders and Justice.

 

FENRIS helps mages when the slavery issue is brought up with him.

 

Fenris: Hawke, you're doing that! Please, no.

 

Hawke: Andraste, dude, I was kidding.

 

Fenris: Not funny!

 

Anders: Aww!

Hawke: [Hawke disapproves -10]

It's not really out of character... Anders and Fenris hated one another.  What was out of character is that neither of them tried to kill the other over the course of 10 years.

[Beerfish]

Pretty well everything Fenris had to say about Anders was correct.  Always liked Fenris.

[Willowhugger]

It's not really out of character... Anders and Fenris hated one another.  What was out of character is that neither of them tried to kill the other over the course of 10 years.

 

It was the fact both wanted to sleep with Hawke.

Isabela suggested both do it.

Which made my straight Hawke's relationship with her awkward.

I'd say that was headcanon, but it's probably true in any universe where those events happened.

[Willowhugger]

Pretty well everything Fenris had to say about Anders was correct.  Always liked Fenris.

I felt Rivalry was ludicrous, for the most part, except with Fenris.

 

Fenris' Rivalry with MageHawke was wonderful because MageHawke was probably Fenris' best friend.

And Fenris HATED that fact.

 

Made it interestingly dysfunctional.

Double points for a slave-liberating, innocent protecting Diplomatic Blood Mage. Fenris' cognitive dissonance must have been off the charts.