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[Xilizhra]

The Rite of Annulment is a Chantry practice that has been sanctioned for hundreds of years.  Right or not, it is a part of the agreement between Templar and Circle mage so that order is maintained within the Circles at all times.  This is not equivalent to attacking unarmed civilians who live under no such agreement.  If the City Guard in all cities could wipe out everyone living near the market district because the crime rate got too high, then you might have a point.

I will never permit genocide of any kind to occur if I can help it. And will stop those who wish to commit it with all possible force.

[Hellion Rex]

I spared him so he could help me stop the mages.

That's the only way he can truly be punished by making him regret his actions and understand how they have killed the very people he wanted to help.

At the very least, I think we can say that sparing made him face what he did and see he wreaked. Killing him is far too easy of a punishment.

[Willowhugger]

I killed Anders as a friend, not as an enemy.

If that makes sense.

I did it because Anders had lost himself.

And as his Warden Commander/Best Friend I had to stop it.

 

My headcanon is odd.

[TK514]

Having Anders help Annul the Circle is so much better as a punishment than a quick death.

[Xilizhra]

At the very least, I think we can say that sparing made him face what he did and see he wreaked. Killing him is far too easy of a punishment.

Punishment is beside the point; what matters now is what's necessary, and stopping the templars is that.

 

 

I killed Anders as a friend, not as an enemy.

If that makes sense.

No.

 

 

I did it because Anders had lost himself.

And as his Warden Commander/Best Friend I had to stop it.

 

My headcanon is odd.

Anders regains himself if you spare him.

[Ryzaki]

Having Anders help Annul the Circle is so much better as a punishment than a quick death.

 

I think he just gets executed afterwards or kills himself so hopefully he dies either way.

 

I just wish if you rivaled him all game then sided with the mages he doesn't default to his friendship state. Like seriously Anders Hawke helping the mages doesn't mean you were right or that you did some noble thing. As it is if I rival him and defend the mages I just kill him because the dialogue makes crap for sense otherwise.

[Icy Magebane]

I will never permit genocide of any kind to occur if I can help it. And will stop those who wish to commit it with all possible force.

Again, I'm not judging that part of the argument, I am only casting doubt on the idea that Sebastian would actually target Kirkwall and not the soldiers who stood in his way... whether Hawke opposes this is up to the player, of course, and as one who has been burned by plot armor in the past, I totally understand wanting to kill Sebastian right then and there rather allow him to walk away after threatening the PC.

[Willowhugger]

Anders regains himself if you spare him.

 

For now, yes.

However, he's already killed the innocent and has done so before.

No, Anders has to go for the good of all mages everywhere.

And for himself.

 

It's the least my Hawke can do for a Hero of Amaranthine.

[Xilizhra]

For now, yes.

However, he's already killed the innocent and has done so before.

No, Anders has to go for the good of all mages everywhere.

And for himself.

 

It's the least my Hawke can do for a Hero of Amaranthine.

I consider such a thing to be, well, fatally presumptuous. Especially given the mass murder committed by other companions whom we happily take with us, in both games.

[Icy Magebane]

At the very least, I think we can say that sparing made him face what he did and see he wreaked. Killing him is far too easy of a punishment.

You might be right, but honestly, at that point I just wanted him gone.  I'd been listening to him ramble on for the entire game and I was fed up.

[Ryzaki]

You might be right, but honestly, at that point I just wanted him gone.  I'd been listening to him ramble on for the entire game and I was fed up.

 

XD him and his damn manifestos all over Hawke's mansion.
 

[Xilizhra]

You might be right, but honestly, at that point I just wanted him gone.  I'd been listening to him ramble on for the entire game and I was fed up.

Really? I find such passion to be most refreshing.

[The Elder King]

1. It's not as though anyone else lifts a finger to stop Hawke. The thing with Merrill is problematic, but I can see where he's coming from.
 
2. The demons, the blood magic glyph, and Corypheus' presence in the Vimmark Mountains.

Nobody actively Agreed to the proposal though. And nobody is as fervently against slavery as Anders.
  

I don't see how people actually believe Seb actually meaning this other than a moment of rage.
 
I mean...maybe it's just me but it doesn't seem very in character for Seb to raze a city to the ground for someone who's long gone. Hunt Anders down? Sure. Burn a city to the ground after you're gone? Uh...not really? Is there something in his character I'm missing?

I guess we'll see what Bioware will do in this regards.

[Willowhugger]

I consider such a thing to be, well, fatally presumptuous. Especially given the mass murder committed by other companions whom we happily take with us, in both games.

 

My MageHawkeWardenQuisitor spared Loghain, the Architect, Sten, the Blood Mage in the Tower, Jowan (twice!), and even the Tevinter slaver. He only killed Marjolaine because he loved Leliana and couldn't forgive her that and Vaughn because the elves had suffered so much.

He encouraged peace and harmony between the races every chance he could. He wanted peace with the Templars too.

 

In the end, Anders showed him how such a path is impossible sometimes.

 

[Icy Magebane]

Really? I find such passion to be most refreshing.

lol... sorry but Anders got on my nerves.  He insulted everyone in the party every chance he got, and would not cut Aveline any slack over her dead husband's job.  I really did not like that guy.

[Icy Magebane]

XD him and his damn manifestos all over Hawke's mansion.
 

IKR?  Thankfully clearing those out kept Sandal busy and out of mischief, so maybe Anders wasn't all bad...

[Br3admax]

Punishment is beside the point; what matters now is what's necessary, and stopping the templars is that.

Killing every mage that isn't me is just as necessary.

Anders regains himself if you spare him.

For how long? We don't know, and I'm not trusting him. Best to let him annual a Circle and then kill himself, thus giving him the freedom he have to his fellows all over Thread.

[TK514]

I think he just gets executed afterwards or kills himself so hopefully he dies either way.

 

All the better if he does.  Then he dies a lunatic and traitor to his cause.

[Ieldra]

The Rite of Annulment is a Chantry practice that has been sanctioned for hundreds of years.  Right or not, it is a part of the agreement between Templar and Circle mage so that order is maintained within the Circles at all times.  This is not equivalent to attacking unarmed civilians who live under no such agreement.  If the City Guard in all cities could wipe out everyone living near the market district because the crime rate got too high, then you might have a point.

Ask any mage in a Circle whether they have agreed to such an "agreement", or would agree if given the choice. I except a 90% vote for "no.", and the rest are likely either hopelessly naive or suffering from a religion-induced guilt complex like that woman in the DAO mage origin.

[Xilizhra]

My MageHawkeWardenQuisitor spared Loghain, the Architect, Sten, the Blood Mage in the Tower, Jowan (twice!), and even the Tevinter slaver. He only killed Marjolaine because he loved Leliana and couldn't forgive her that and Vaughn because the elves had suffered so much.

He encouraged peace and harmony between the races every chance he could. He wanted peace with the Templars too.

 

In the end, Anders showed him how such a path is impossible sometimes.

 

Well, then you just have to fight against evil (i.e. the templars) until they're no longer a problem, then you can have peace and harmony again.

 

 

All the better if he does.  Then he dies a lunatic and traitor to his cause.

Eh, he had a good run. A pro-templar Hawke, on the other hand, is simply an abject failure.

[The Elder King]

Ask any mage in a Circle whether they have agreed to such an "agreement", or would agree if given the choice. I except a 90% vote for "no.", and the rest are likely either hopelessly naive or suffering from a religion-induced guilt complex like that woman in the DAO mage origin.

It's ironic that the mage faction who actually support the Annulment is the magisters (since Annulment are legal in Tevinter).
I wonder how the Circle mages here feel about it.

[Xilizhra]

It's ironic that the mage faction who actually support the Annulment is the magisters (since Annulment are legal in Tevinter).
I wonder how the Circle mages here feel about it.

Tevinter is deliberately designed to be a sinkhole of blatant evil; there's very little to think about.

[Icy Magebane]

Ask any mage in a Circle whether they have agreed to such an "agreement", or would agree if given the choice. I except a 90% vote for "no.", and the rest are likely either hopelessly naive or suffering from a religion-induced guilt complex like that woman in the DAO mage origin.

Every Circle mage is told in advance that those are the rules.  In a monarchy, or any non-democratic government really, the peasants have no say in what laws they must follow, but are still subject to punishment according to those laws.  This is the "agreement" of which I speak:  the social compact that all citizens and rulers are bound by until one side or the other breaks it.  Unless the government is democratic, citizens do not need to approve of the law... they either follow it or rebel, and should expect positive and negative consequences for either choice.

[The Elder King]

Well, then you just have to fight against evil (i.e. the templars) until they're no longer a problem, then you can have peace and harmony again.
 
 

Eh, he had a good run. A pro-templar Hawke, on the other hand, is simply an abject failure.

I woudn't say that. It depends on Hawke's goal. If his goal is simply to annull the Circle and restore order in the city, he managed to do this. If his goal was to keep the Circle system in Thedas, he 'failed' (without the characters in Asunder acting like they did we don't know if the Circle system would've broke down in Hakwe's lifespan), though i don't see why Hawke's goal would be this.

[Kitsune]

I killed Anders as a friend, not as an enemy.

If that makes sense.

I did it because Anders had lost himself.

And as his Warden Commander/Best Friend I had to stop it.

 

My headcanon is odd.

I totally understand your point and would gladly do so too. I tried so hard to kill him, but eventually couldn't do this, although in my opinion it's the right thing to do.

I'm a very weak person.

 

Upd.: Eventually I just let him go. "Out of my sight" so to speak.