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[Xilizhra]

Every Circle mage is told in advance that those are the rules.  In a monarchy, or any non-democratic government really, the peasants have no say in what laws they must follow, but are still subject to punishment according to those laws.  This is the "agreement" of which I speak:  the social compact that all citizens and rulers are bound by until one side or the other breaks it.

And in Thedas, all governments suck, but only one has a revolution going on against it, and as such, it's that of which we speak.

 

 

I woudn't say that. It depends on Hawke's goal. If his goal is simply to annull the Circle and restore order in the city, he managed to do this. If his goal was to keep the Circle system in Thedas, he 'failed' (without the characters in Asunder acting like they did we don't know if the Circle system would've broke down in Hakwe's lifespan), though i don't see why Hawke's goal would be this.

Trying to stop the mage-templar war as a whole would have been the abject failure. And I do hope that Kirkwall descends into even worse chaos than before, I confess.

[The Elder King]

Tevinter is deliberately designed to be a sinkhole of blatant evil; there's very little to think about.

It's still ironic.
What will you do/think if the mage movement, even if successful, will retain in some forms the Tranquility and the Annulment?

[The Elder King]

 

Trying to stop the mage-templar war as a whole would have been the abject failure. And I do hope that Kirkwall descends into even worse chaos than before, I confess.

But Hakwe wasn't tring to stop the mage-templar war. He was trying to stop/support the Annulment and possibly restore order.
As long as Cullen was in Kirkwall it seems order was restored, based on what it was stated in his introduction. We'll see what will happen afterwards.

[Xilizhra]

It's still ironic.
What will you do/think if the mage movement, even if successful, will retain in some forms the Tranquility and the Annulment?

The same way I would if dragons suddenly formed a peaceful political movement for the advancement of the Vashoth: sigh regretfully about the game suddenly starting to use dream logic.

[Willowhugger]

It's still ironic.
What will you do/think if the mage movement, even if successful, will retain in some forms the Tranquility and the Annulment?

 

MageWardenHawkeQuisitor will consider any form of Tranquility a horrible moral failure.

 

The Annulment is kind of an odd bird because if all of the Mages actually ARE abominations, there's not much to do is there?

 

However, that's not been the case in the two we've seen so far.

 

Though, in Case 1#, that was an inevitability if left unchecked.

[Willowhugger]

Trying to stop the mage-templar war as a whole would have been the abject failure.

 

[The Elder King]

The same way I would if dragons suddenly formed a peaceful political movement for the advancement of the Vashoth: sigh regretfully about the game suddenly starting to use dream logic.

I woudn't say it's dream logic, expecially Tranquility. Using it against mage criminals isn't that far-fetched.

[Icy Magebane]

And in Thedas, all governments suck, but only one has a revolution going on against it, and as such, it's that of which we speak.

The problem is that my points seem to be getting draw away from what I was talking about when I initially made them, which is Sebastian's threat to attack Kirkwall.  It is in character for him to agree with the Rite of Annulment even though it targets innocent mages because that is a part of Chantry law and thus he sees it as justified (regardless of whether it is or isn't).  The idea of Sebastian ordering soldiers to attack civilians in Kirkwall is unrealistic because harming innocent non-mages is completely out of line with his character as we know it.  When compared to the Rite,  there is no similar Chantry law that can be applied to average citizens.  If he ever came back with an army, he'd only be fighting against armed soldiers who opposed his efforts to capture and execute Anders.

[Xilizhra]

I woudn't say it's dream logic, expecially Tranquility. Using it against mage criminals isn't that far-fetched.

If it's a full-circle revolution, that would give me another enemy to fight, but I would consider it a horrendous waste of plot.

[Br3admax]

I totally understand your point and would gladly do so too. I tried so hard to kill him, but eventually couldn't do this, although in my opinion it's the right thing to do.

I'm a very weak person.

 

Upd.: Eventually I just let him go. "Out of my sight" so to speak.

Anders then goes on to kill more little girls that disagree with him. 

[The Elder King]

Depends. If it wasn't for certain character doing determinant things to trigger the war, there might've not be a breakout even in Asunder.

[Willowhugger]

I woudn't say it's dream logic, expecially Tranquility. Using it against mage criminals isn't that far-fetched.

 

I'm with Adrian.

 

Which I know is a bad place to be.

 

Execution for mage criminals.

 

Not a horrific half-life.

[Xilizhra]

Anders then goes on to kill more little girls that disagree with him. 

Maybe it's me, but I find it difficult to believe anyone with breasts of that size before horrendous growth hormone oversaturation is a "little girl." Editorialize as you wish, but please don't mislead.

[Willowhugger]

If it's a full-circle revolution, that would give me another enemy to fight, but I would consider it a horrendous waste of plot.

 

Again, the thing about Annulments are they're SUPPOSED to only be used against Circles which are 100% possessed by demons.

 

The implications are that the Templars use the threat rather causally, though.

That's my take, at least.

[The Elder King]

If it's a full-circle revolution, that would give me another enemy to fight, but I would consider it a horrendous waste of plot.

I'm not talking about another Circle system.
Which might or might not happen though. I'm still not convinced that the war will truly end in DAI, and that we'll actually resolve only the one in the hinterlands.

[Xilizhra]

I'm not talking about another Circle system.
Which might or might not happen though. I'm still not convinced that the war will truly end in DAI, and that we'll actually resolve only the one in the hinterlands.

Well, you know my position: I'm firmly against the Annulment and involuntary Tranquility.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Trying to stop the mage-templar war as a whole would have been the abject failure. And I do hope that Kirkwall descends into even worse chaos than before, I confess.

Cullen apparently qualified to be an inquisitor based on his having managed to shut down the fighting in Kirkwall.

[The Elder King]

I'm with Adrian.
 
Which I know is a bad place to be.
 
Execution for mage criminals.
 
Not a horrific half-life.

Mages might want to make those criminals useful for society (or for their own gain).
I'm not debating if it'll be right or wrong to use it. I'm debating if it's possible that mages will continue to use it, which I think it might be possible.

[Willowhugger]

Mages might want to make those criminals useful for society (or for their own gain).
I'm not debating if it'll be right or wrong to use it. I'm debating if it's possible that mages will continue to use it, which I think it might be possible.

 

Oh, I'm sure they will.

My Inquisitor will be horrified by it.

But yeah, that's how things shake down in Thedas.

People WILL do stuff if there's money to be made.

[Xilizhra]

Cullen apparently qualified to be an inquisitor based on his having managed to shut down the fighting in Kirkwall.

Should have killed him...

[Kitsune]

I think the Annulment is practiced not when it's "100% posessed" but when "the Circle is beyond salvation" which is very subjective statement and depends on the point of view of those in charge.

[The Elder King]

Well, you know my position: I'm firmly against the Annulment and involuntary Tranquility.

 
I know. I was just curious on your reaction to the mages using it. 

Cullen apparently qualified to be an inquisitor based on his having managed to shut down the fighting in Kirkwall.

That is Indeed very impressive.

[Willowhugger]

Well, you know my position: I'm firmly against the Annulment and involuntary Tranquility.

 

What's your position on what to do with demon-possessed circles, then?

 

I agree with you on Tranquility. I'm against voluntary Tranquility, though.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Should have killed him...

If you want to kill recurring characters before their time, my advice would be to take up tabletop gaming.

[Willowhugger]

I think the Annulment is practiced not when it's "100% posessed" but when "the Circle is beyond salvation" which is very subjective statement and depends on the point of view of those in charge.

 

Yeah, which is the problem, IMHO.

 

However, my MageWardenHawkeQuisitor has killed the population of a Circle himself.