1;Its a easy course just dont date your teacher or lab partner(doesnt work out well)
2 it started as a picka side then degenerated into a mage v templar war again and now people are getting a bit heated
1. How about the lab assistant?
2. I see. Somehow I can feel a lock coming.
2. I see. Somehow I can feel a lock coming.
I dunno, by Templar vs. Mage standards, this seems pretty good natured.
The people in this thread seem aware this is not actual people being dragged into secret prisons or soldiers standing between us and anarchy.
Magic is akin to science? Does science come with HORRIBLE DEMONS THAT TRY TO MURDER YOUR SOUL WHILE YOU SLEEP?
Because someone needs to protect the innocent from that.
Yes. Those demons are called in our world weapons of mass destruction, nuclear weapons and biological weapons, amongs other things. And yet we need to study every kind of element, materials, aplications and a long etc for the higher knowledge and the improvement of our life, the same applies to magic in DA universe in my opinion.
To put an example about it: Is the nuclear energy dangerous? Of course yes. Can it be used to great degrees of destruction and death? Yes. Can it be used to improve the life of mankind? Yes. Have humans stopped studying and using nuclear energy because the possibility of something going wrong? No. The same goes for magic.
The joke is on you for believing what priests tell you. News of the hour! Abominable Pride Nugs have attacked! Sincerely, your most trusted source, the chantry. AKA tell me one thing human that Anders couldn't do. Just tell me. Fall in love? Help people? Kill people? Human. V isn't the only one blowing up buildings to change the world. While Anders has no spirit of vendetta within him, Vengeance he's got down.I lol'd. A possessed mage is called an abomination, which is no longer the mage.
Remember Felemeth's words? We stand on precipice of change and "there can be no peace". The same exact line is said by Anders. This is not a coincidence.
technically a teacher but fellow student it can go heads or tails... literally1. How about the lab assistant?2. I see. Somehow I can feel a lock coming.
Yes. Those demons are called in our world weapons of mass destruction, nuclear weapons and biological weapons, amongs other things. And yet we need to study every kind of element, materials, aplications and a long etc for the higher knowledge and the improvement of our life, the same applies to magic in DA universe in my opinion.
To put an example about it: Is the nuclear energy dangerous? Of course yes. Can it be used to great degrees of destruction and death? Yes. Can it be used to improve the life of mankind? Yes. Have humans stopped studying and using nuclear energy because the possibility of something going wrong? No. The same goes for magic.
People are perfectly capable of choosing whether or not they want to study nuclear energy. They can't choose whether or not they want to be a mage, yet they can still be possessed and turn into horrible abominations.
There are similarities, of course, but there's also a world of differences.
Honestly Osama bin Anders has a quote about blowing up a building...why am i not surprised.
Bloody terrorist.
People are perfectly capable of choosing whether or not they want to study nuclear energy. They can't choose whether or not they want to be a mage, yet they can still be possessed and turn into horrible abominations.
There are similarities, of course, but there's also a world of differences.
The worst part of the Templars thing, though? I get the abomination and insanity fears. However, imagine if EVERY MAGE was taught Wynne's curing secrets. Not using them as WMDs but as healers. They have stuff which is better than our medicine TODAY.
And that quality of life improving stuff is never seen by the common people.
That's my .02.
What frustrates me about Anders is he had WON THE TRUST OF THE COMMON PEOPLE in Darktown. He was a good mage.
And he THREW IT AWAY.
Ugh.
The joke is on you for believing what priests tell you. News of the hour! Abominable Pride Nugs have attacked! Sincerely, your most trusted source, the chantry. AKA tell me one thing human that Anders couldn't do. Just tell me. Fall in love? Help people? Kill people? Human. V isn't the only one blowing up buildings to change the world. While Anders has no spirit of vendetta within him, Vengeance he's got down.
thats what cant understandThe worst part of the Templars thing, though? I get the abomination and insanity fears. However, imagine if EVERY MAGE was taught Wynne's curing secrets. Not using them as WMDs but as healers. They have stuff which is better than our medicine TODAY. And that quality of life improving stuff is never seen by the common people. That's my .02.What frustrates me about Anders is he had WON THE TRUST OF THE COMMON PEOPLE in Darktown. He was a good mage.And he THREW IT AWAY.Ugh.
Mages first playthrough, then Templars second. After that it will depend on what I end up liking more.
That would have been a much more satisfying ending to DA 2
Deloria i grant you that.
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Honestly Osama bin Anders has a quote about blowing up a building...why am i not surprised.
Bloody terrorist.
I had an easier time connecting him with Che Guevara (whom I happen to respect despite disagreeing with some of his actions during the Cuban Revolution) through both of their medical and revolutionary backgrounds. Though I wasn't a huge fan of DA2 Anders.
People are perfectly capable of choosing whether or not they want to study nuclear energy. They can't choose whether or not they want to be a mage, yet they can still be possessed and turn into horrible abominations.
There are similarities, of course, but there's also a world of differences.
But people normally have to agreed to be "possesed". And if I remember well about the lore of DA, demons and spirits are the exact same kind of creatures, humans make a distinction between both, but they are the same, which means that an "abomination" may be free to control his life and acts, examples: Anders for spirits and Uldred or the bad guy of the Dawn of Seeker movie for demons.
And why are we making a judge about every "abomination" being bad? Most mages turn into an abomination in the middle of a fight to death for his life against people who wants to kill them for the "crime" of studiying "forbidden" (by X persons who thinks they can tell what is right and what not) knowledge, normally templars, which means they do it in a state of complete despair. Other times possesed people bears an incontrollable fear of demons, spirits and the Veil which may affect the outcome of the possesion.
There was a templar on the Circle Tower in DA: Origins who was possesed by a Desire Demon who simply wanted to feel human emotions through him, so she makes a heavenly ilusion on his mind about him being happily living with his family. I let the templar and the demon go. I am curious about how a mage without any kind of prejudge against demons, spirits, the Veil and "forbidden" knowledge would be if possesed by a demon in a peacefull manner (agreeing with it in exchange for power or any other thing), I don´t think said mage would become a jackass of destruction but something like Anders instead, where he can control his life and have the demon inside him, feeling the same feelings he has and being able to voice his opinions too.
The worst part of the Templars thing, though? I get the abomination and insanity fears. However, imagine if EVERY MAGE was taught Wynne's curing secrets. Not using them as WMDs but as healers. They have stuff which is better than our medicine TODAY.
And that quality of life improving stuff is never seen by the common people.
That's my .02.
What frustrates me about Anders is he had WON THE TRUST OF THE COMMON PEOPLE in Darktown. He was a good mage.
And he THREW IT AWAY.Ugh.
I'm not anti-Mage, and having them primarily be healers could be so useful, though that will likely never happen (just as how nuclear energy will never solely be used for good). I hate Anders for that as well.
Bu I do think mages should be monitored because of the dangers that magic brings.
That would have been a much more satisfying ending to DA 2
Deloria i grant you that.
You KNOW my views on mages.
And I STILL stabbed Anders.
I'm not anti-Mage, and having them primarily be healers could be so useful, though that will likely never happen (just as how nuclear energy will never solely be used for good). I hate Anders for that as well.
Bu I do think mages should be monitored because of the dangers that magic brings.
I think it says a lot about the Chantry they break out the mages for killing Qunari or slaughtering Tevinter but they don't for plagues.
I'll be supporting the mages unless they're doing something really out there when I come upon them. One example would be if their abducting people from local towns and using them to fuel blood magic rituals. That isn't going to float. Then again. The templars might be raiding the locals for food and in order to get gold for their lyrium habit. If both sides are behaving amorally I'm not certain what I'm going to do. I don't believe killing them all would be an option.
For me the mages have sufficient reason to revolt and I'm not going to force them back into the hands of those I believe abused them. I'm hoping that the Inquisition can take over the policing of the circle though hammering out the economics might be tricky. Personally I'd like to see more mages trained as healers and set up in healing houses throughout the various regions. That and have some research done into improving crop yields.
Well, I'm king of the boy scouts, so by default I try and find the most peaceful solution (Such as with DA:O in helping both sides, but getting only Mage Support.), But in the end magic is a very dangerous tool no matter what way you look at it, so if push does come to shove and there's no hope for a mutual peace...?
Templars. Magic cannot be left unchecked. Despite this, I'm all for reform on the supervision of Mages. If they are made not to live in a fancy cage, maybe they'll stop going ballistic and dabble into the worst of the magics. Of course, I'm moreso a pointman than a politician, so I don't know just how that sort of reform would go about...maybe they could found a few communities within various towns or found a town of their own. Mages are taken there to study and learn to harness and control their power, but are free to travel out of once they've completed their initial trainings and passed their Harrowing?
All I know in that regard is that I support the use of the Phylacteries (yes, the irony of it being blood magic is not lost to me), since those can help you find criminal mages.Those Phylacteries would be housed in a tower within those communities and guarded by Templars, who's overall role is largely unchanged, but how they are managed is changed significantly.
...also the Chantry is crazy and I support Templar independence as much as I support more freedoms to mages.
The joke is on you for believing what priests tell you. News of the hour! Abominable Pride Nugs have attacked! Sincerely, your most trusted source, the chantry. AKA tell me one thing human that Anders couldn't do. Just tell me. Fall in love? Help people? Kill people? Human. V isn't the only one blowing up buildings to change the world. While Anders has no spirit of vendetta within him, Vengeance he's got down.
Voila! In view a humble vaudevillian veteran cast both vicariously as both victim and villain in the vicissitude of fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity has cast the vox populi off. However, this valorous visitation of a bygone vexation stands vivified, and vowed to vanquish the voluptious vermin who have violated the very violation of volition! The only verdict, is vengeance, a vendetta taken upon not in vain. *chuckles* However, this verbage veers most verbose so allow me to simply introduce myself and you may call me.....
Anders.
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You KNOW my views on mages.
And I STILL stabbed Anders.
Couldn't do it. Not cause I felt bad, didn't want to, or anything like that. But Bethany... and Carver both lived to become Wardens because of him. He cashed in a favor with Stroud to make it happen. Me not killing him cashed him out as well.
Voila! In view a humble vaudevillian veteran cast both vicariously as both victim and villain in the vicissitude of fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity has cast the vox populi off. However, this valorous visitation of a bygone vexation stands vivified, and vowed to vanquish the voluptious vermin who have violated the very violation of volition! The only verdict, is vengeance, a vendetta taken upon not in vain. *chuckles* However, this verbage veers most verbose so allow me to simply introduce myself and you may call me.....
Anders.
Que?
Couldn't do it. Not cause I felt bad, didn't want to, or anything like that. But Bethany... and Carver both lived become Wardens because of him. He cashed in a favor with Stroud to make it happen. Me not killing him cashed him out as well.
Some people kill characters with remarkable ease. I genuinely don't understand it, beyond the obvious fact that all men are not created equal.
Couldn't do it. Not cause I felt bad, didn't want to, or anything like that. But Bethany... and Carver both lived become Wardens because of him. He cashed in a favor with Stroud to make it happen. Me not killing him cashed him out as well.
Anders was my best friend (and MageWardenHawkeQuistors).
However, that was the best thing he could do for him.
It's why he decided to get off his ass and fight the Revolution, though, that just chilling in Hightown, though.
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